While We Wait: Part 5

[Oruc]

Have you no idea of his past? He is a major contributor to the credit crisis. He and his organization sued banks when they wouldn't give loans to low or no income people, calling it racism, when it fact it is good business to not give out free money. Last night at the debate Obama bashed McCain for not saying how he would pay for his plans, when Obama himself never has nor ever will say how he will do all his magic plans. When he gets into office he will do the same as every president, he will sit back and do nothing until the final two years of his first term so he gets reelected.

Never heard any of that stuff before, we just hear about how great Obama is over here.
I would vote for Mccain anyway if it was possible, which it isn't.

 

[Luckymoose]

Never heard any of that stuff before, we just hear about how great Obama is over here.
I would vote for Mccain anyway if it was possible, which it isn't.

Exactly the reason people vote for Obama here. They don't know his history, and once they find out his history they refuse to change sides because they will look foolish.

 

[Oruc]

Exactly the reason people vote for Obama here. They don't know his history, and once they find out his history they refuse to change sides because they will look foolish.

Well you guys did come up with flip-flopping as an insult. It is flip-flopping right? changing beliefs or something.

 

[Symphony D.]

They don't know his history, and once they find out his history they refuse to change sides because they will look foolish.

Amusing. The use of the Karl Rove strategy of "I'm going to take all my flaws and accuse my opponent(s) of them," by not just Lost Five Plane's campaign but by his supporters is an interesting correlation. The highlight moment:

His anti-government fervor was renewed in the Gingrich revolution of 1994, when he called for abolishing the departments of Education and Energy.

Education. Energy. Never done the American people a damn thing, either of'em!

 

[erez87]

He is going to raise taxes on the wealthy and small business owners, which is a clear sign that he has no idea how this nation works. He will also probably give more money to minorities and allow them to take loans out that they can't repay. He has done it before, and will do it again.

So, that stupid propaganda you posted is a lie - by your account?

 

[das]

I am tempted to say something bad about Luckymoose, but I will restrain myself to asking everyone to calm down and not start this again. I'm pretty sure this topic has already been exhausted several times over long ago.

 

[Symphony D.]

Since we're on this subject, look at John McCain and Sarah Palin bring out the best in America. Inspiring. I know I love it when candidates don't bat an eye when a bunch of yahoos declare one of their peers in the American government a terrorist and openly advocate his murder.

As was at least intoned by Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." McCain's proven to be pretty good at that in all circumstances, whether it's someone suggesting his rival be killed for him to secure victory, or in spending 26 years doing nothing but exacerbate the problem and then claiming he's the only man who can solve it.

Barack Obama is not perfect. Not anywhere near it. But John McCain is a disgrace to this country. That's his history.

 

[Oruc]

As was at least intoned by Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." McCain's proven to be pretty good at that in all circumstances, whether it's someone suggesting his rival be killed for him to secure victory, or in spending 26 years doing nothing but exacerbate the problem and then claiming he's the only man who can solve it.

Barack Obama is not perfect. Not anywhere near it. But John McCain is a disgrace to this country. That's his history.

Mccain is evil? a disgrace? Do you really believe that?

 

[Lord_Iggy]

I am tempted to say something bad about Luckymoose, but I will restrain myself to asking everyone to calm down and not start this again. I'm pretty sure this topic has already been exhausted several times over long ago.

Yeah, and anyway, the US would have to go way left to even reach Canada and Western Europe, comparing Obama to a communist is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Symphony D.]

Mccain is evil? a disgrace? Do you really believe that?

Evil and a disgrace aren't the same thing. And yes, I do believer his behavior is disgraceful.

- He was a terrible officer and only got through on his family's name because his father and grandfather were admirals. Fifth worst in his class of almost 900.
- He was a terrible pilot and lost five airplanes, the fourth to last allowing him to display cowardice in the face of adversity by running away as over 100 sailors died, and the last causing him to become imprisoned in North Vietnam through his own stupidity.
- He was a terrible POW and for all his vaunted durability, he gave up and made incriminating statements against America almost immediately because he knew his inherent value as an Admiral's son. He stayed behind so he wouldn't be shamed and courtmartialed for dereliction of duty, as some were.
- He was a terrible husband who had an affair with another woman when his loyal wife, who waited while he was stuck in Hanoi for five years, was horribly maimed in a car accident--and he even went so far as to marry another woman while still married to her.
- He was a terrible Senator, surrounding himself with lobbyists and passing them off as impartial advisors while attacking lobbyists, as seen by his involvement with Keating in the Savings & Loans Crisis, and now with Rick Davis--on the payroll of Freddie Mac until a few weeks ago--in this crisis.
- He's a terrible potential President, as indicated by his totally irresponsible first choice as a potential President of Sarah Palin as his backup, someone who has been demonstrated to be completely unqualified for the job, and who was nothing more than a gimmicky political pick.
- He's a terrible American, as demonstrated by his repeated appeals to fearmongering, racism, and hatred in his desperate attempt to secure the Presidency. He appeals to the worst in all of us while promising he can somehow inspire the best. And for what? Where's his vaunted plan? He doesn't have one. He has to resort to such attacks because he has nothing better to say. In the words of a McCain aide, "If we talk about the economy, we lose." McCain's ambition is power for power's sake, and nothing more. At least most politicians have a plan for what to use it for.

The man has been nothing but an opportunist his entire life. And while most politicians are that to be sure (it requires ambition to seek power), most of them at least have some semblance of morals and guiding principles. McCain used to have those. He has discarded them. He has abandoned every last scrap of honor or nobility in his mad, blind dash for the Presidency.

Country First? No, it's McCain First. And for him to wrap himself up in a flag and deride his rival while doing so is shameful. It's disgraceful. It's pathetic. And while Barack Obama might be a liberal, or even a socialist, and I don't agree with him fully or even necessarily a majority of the time, he at least isn't a sad husk of what was once at least a sympathetic if not decent human being. McCain is, and he and his supporters are the very last people on earth capable of making the "You don't know your history" remark with a straight face without being laughed out of the room. It's the ultimate argument from willful ignorance.

A John McCain Presidency signals the death of everything that has made America the best country in the world. As a patriot, I refuse to stand by idly and allow people to claim that somehow that's just awesome.

 

[Luckymoose]

Amusing. The use of the Karl Rove strategy of "I'm going to take all my flaws and accuse my opponent(s) of them," by not just Lost Five Plane's campaign but by his supporters is an interesting correlation. The highlight moment:


Education. Energy. Never done the American people a damn thing, either of'em!

Yeah and let's talk about the Keating Five again too. Oh I forgot, 4 of them were democrats. I really don't want to argue anymore, I will just have to live with Obama being president until he has a low enough approval rating that everyone agrees with me.

 

[Kentharu]

If you start this crap again I will report you.

You have been warned.

 

[Azale]

Stop citing from the Huffington Post...

 

[Luckymoose]

If you start this crap again I will report you.

You have been warned.

I'm not personally assaulting anyone, I have all the right to discuss politics in this thread. The only person who was warned last time was Symphony because he was attacking me, not my argument.

 

[Symphony D.]

Stop citing from the Huffington Post...

Don't shoot the messenger. HP has a liberal bias, but so what? They cite their sources. Is the AP in on the vast McCain-Hater Liberal Media Conspiracy now too? They must be backed by the Illuminati or something. Like that time George W. Bush managed to fool every other intelligence agency in the world that Iraq had WMDs.

Yeah and let's talk about the Keating Five again too. Oh I forgot, 4 of them were democrats.

Was one of them Barack Obama? Joe Biden? No? Then that excuses John McCain... how? This must be that guilt-by-association thing again. So, Barack Obama is guilty of being a domestic-terrorist because he sat on a committee with Ayers for a charity, but John McCain, who took bribes from a crook, is a squeaky-clean noble guy because some Democrats did it too!

 

[Ninja Dude]

Holy. Crap.

I just spent 2 hours and 15 minutes with my firiends trying to get the Annual achievment on Halo 3. For most of theat time we were killing each other, making idiotic mistakes, and shouting at each other. If we would have been sitting on a couch playing right next to each other, I think we would have ended up killing each other.

But of course I pulled through in the end and made the last jump, just before one of my friends could die.

 

[silver 2039]

I was told that there are more elections happening than the presidential. What else is going to be on the ballot?

 

[Symphony D.]

I was told that there are more elections happening than the presidential. What else is going to be on the ballot?

All (435) of the Representatives, 1/3 (33) of the Senators, 11 Governors, and whatever's going on in the local state/country/city level.

 

[silver 2039]

All (435) of the Representatives, 1/3 (33) of the Senators, 11 Governors, and whatever's going on in the local state/country/city level.

Do you know of a website where I might find this information? When I google I get random stuff about Obama and old man.

 

[Symphony D.]

Do you know of a website where I might find this information? When I google I get random stuff about Obama and old man.

Ask and thou shalt receive.