North King
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Or one could argue that as this is a democracy, an environment where opportunity was not equal would not be a desirable one.
While We Wait: Part 5
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Or one could argue that as this is a democracy, an environment where opportunity was not equal would not be a desirable one.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Everyone should have the same opportunity, but we don't. Try getting financial aid for college if you are white. Liberals need to stop being bias to the minorities, because I am personally offended by the racism against whites in America.
Neverwonagame3
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The only reason to support democracy is that it is the best system of government. If, hypothetically (I haven't established this, to be fair, but you implicitly contradicted the claim I am about to make), trickle-down made the rich richer, and the poor richer but less so, then it was obviously a good idea.
North King
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EPIC FAIL. I got financial aid, Lucky.
Or because one believes that every person should get a say in their own government. Nah, that couldn't be it.
As for making the rich richer and the poor slightly richer, I could see why you'd think that was an okay system -- if it were the only alternative, which it quite obviously isn't.
Symphony D.
Deity
I believe one thing the current Olympics strongly suggests is that if China and America should ever go to war (not that it's likely in the near term) you will see a return of internment camps.
Luckymoose
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EPIC FAIL. I got financial aid, Lucky.
You don't live in Blackville USA.
Neverwonagame3
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We can have inequality of wealth and still all have equal votes. Anyway, the priority should be about the amount of wealth each person gets (there is a good case for special consideration for the worse off)- if a side-effect is a small amount getting very rich, it is irrelevant.
What alternative would you say was best, anyway?
*Economist steps in*
Keynesian economics has never been proved to have lessened the impacts of recessions, it didn’t cause the Great Depression (but it didn’t help the world get out of it), and it caused just about every depression before it fell out of favour because of its nasty habit of causing stagflation and recessions. Keynes had some extreme reservations about his work, and made it abundantly clear that what he proposed had limited scope for use; he never intended it to become the orthodox school of economic thought.
The Laffer Curve has just been shown to be less elastic than first thought, at a 100% taxation people will dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge, at 0% nobody pays tax, the key is that it’s a great deal more flat than originally thought. So its probably not the best thing to base your whole ideology on.
As to trickle down, I can note that growing inequality in America is happening by the traditional measures, gini coefficients etc, but cheaper goods from China are largely mitigating that growth, in effect it has increased but the purchasing power of the bottom rung has increased significantly.
I can provide proofs for all of these.
As to fox, it’s painful, but no less painful that watching the BBC, reading the Guardian, the NYT, or just about all media outlets. Honestly I read the Economist and ignore the pro-democracy, pro-free trade and pro individual rights (not because it’s a bad thing) but because I read the economist for news not propaganda (however pleasant it is).
Keynesian economics has never been proved to have lessened the impacts of recessions, it didn’t cause the Great Depression (but it didn’t help the world get out of it), and it caused just about every depression before it fell out of favour because of its nasty habit of causing stagflation and recessions. Keynes had some extreme reservations about his work, and made it abundantly clear that what he proposed had limited scope for use; he never intended it to become the orthodox school of economic thought.
The Laffer Curve has just been shown to be less elastic than first thought, at a 100% taxation people will dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge, at 0% nobody pays tax, the key is that it’s a great deal more flat than originally thought. So its probably not the best thing to base your whole ideology on.
As to trickle down, I can note that growing inequality in America is happening by the traditional measures, gini coefficients etc, but cheaper goods from China are largely mitigating that growth, in effect it has increased but the purchasing power of the bottom rung has increased significantly.
I can provide proofs for all of these.
As to fox, it’s painful, but no less painful that watching the BBC, reading the Guardian, the NYT, or just about all media outlets. Honestly I read the Economist and ignore the pro-democracy, pro-free trade and pro individual rights (not because it’s a bad thing) but because I read the economist for news not propaganda (however pleasant it is).
The county I live in is 70% Mexican. I got financial aid.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Only 30% of the people living their are legal residents.
I live in Corpus Christi, not Laredo.
alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
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That the American government is probably watching this on some level, and finds the (admittedly rightful) Chinese-American happiness at the outcome of the mother country to be disturbing. This in addition to the long and ongoing history of Chinese hacking and a few high-profile spies or people who came here for their education and promptly went back to undermine the American position. Of course, by the time any such war could possibly occur, far less crude methods would probably be available, but I still think such things are being noted.
The same is happening in Australia, its rather poor form on China's part to send students here with the intent to spy or at least try to... and with a significant Chinese population (some of them are 200 years removed and still identify as Chinese) internment is likely.
I’m not knocking China or the Chinese, but in any war I would lock them up… its common sense.
I’m not knocking China or the Chinese, but in any war I would lock them up… its common sense.
alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
Definitely, I don't doubt that. Though I am optimistic enough to hope that those who are watching this are also intelligent enough to differentiate that the overwhelming majority of Chinese-Americans wouldn't betray the USA to the PRC. China has great culture and all, but I like the USA more (freedom, prosperity and peace) instead of just prosperity and peace in the PRC
Those who are 200 years removed from Chinese but still identify themselves as Chinese aren't strange. Tell me, what do you see when you think of an American or Australian? A white person
We can assimilate, but whether or not we'll be accepted and seen as being assimilated is a completely different thing 
Consistency is good for you.China has great culture and all, but I like the USA more (freedom, prosperity and peace) instead of just prosperity and peace in the PRC
das
Regeneration In Process
Not me personally, but I know some Russians who seem to think that the Blacks outnumber the Whites in USA.
silver 2039
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Yeah right. You'd be the first one to run over to the PRC. Even if the US doesn't intern all Chinese it should at least intern you.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
All I can say is, the full and complete implementation of the welfare state in Italy and France (though it is starting to be resisted in the latter) has basically shot these countries in the foot regarding economic growth, encouraged the formation of a black economy reliant exclusively on illegal labor, and begun the long-term demographic destruction of these countries' cultural identities.
