While We Wait: Writer's Block & Other Lame Excuses
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Kraznaya
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Luckymoose
The World is Mine
You know what. I'll let you take this one. Congrats on posting out of context quotations, massa.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
North King said:
yeah but what you actually did was disparage our intellect. That hurts, man.
North King
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Yeah, you were definitely just pleasantly conversing when I barged in...
thank god your here
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
How do you actually coup an IRC channel?
Like, how would one physically go about that?
Like, how would one physically go about that?
How do you actually coup an IRC channel?
Like, how would one physically go about that?
I invite them all onto skype and shout "I'M COUPING YOU ALL NOW." That's when the African mercenaries bust in.
Kraznaya
Princeps
Azale/Lucky spent a lot of time trying to both contact the IRC server owner and bugging other people to contact the IRC server owner in "petition" to try to get him to change founder flags on the channel.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Oh, to be sure. But I'm not sure how this absolves you of your general holier-than-thou condescension.
How do you actually coup an IRC channel?
Like, how would one physically go about that?
razorvine.selfip.net is the server that the CFC irc channels are hosted on. This includes #fiftychat and #nes, which both receive regular traffic. A man who goes by "Till" owns this server.
By contacting Till, one could theoretically place themselves as the working channel operator for any currently established channel on the server. Since Till is interested in the well-being of the server from a foot-traffic, health-of-the-community standpoint, if you could make a compelling case to him that you being appointed operator of a channel would be best for the community, he would do it.
This is precisely what Azale tried to do. And he failed.
Luckymoose
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North King
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I'm not sure when you got that impression, but I'm sorry?
I do think it's hilarious that you would accuse me of condescension, given the content of the post I quoted. Or hell, any of your posts over the last five pages of this thread. Or most of your commentary in OT. Or all of your conversation in #nes.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Did he?I do not believe you are aware of the exact details behind #neverending.
No, it's exactly what he tried to do. He let me in on it, after all. I have logs.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11906204&postcount=2465
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Oh, I know, but you seem to be viewing this as a coup of #nes, instead of what it really turned into. But whatever, you guys are being really lame and antagonistic.
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Yes, I got that. Hence,
North King said:
And again, I do think it's hilarious that you would accuse me of condescension, given the content of the post I quoted. And your post before that. And all of your posts over the last five pages of this thread. And most of your commentary in OT. And all of your conversation in #nes.
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
The things people will start a three-page heated argument over...
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Be as evasive as you want, it does not change the fact that you look down on your players and continually regard people with derision and scorn. Whether or not I am condescending has absolutely no bearing on this.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
None of that is true.
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...what?
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I have to go on record as saying the following:
While I don't think that azale's and Luckymoose's actions in forming a new channel were appropriate, and were in many ways deeply immature, I can't deny any longer that there's often something wrong with the tone of #nes. I don't know if it has gotten worse recently, but it seems like flaming and personal attacks are at an all-time high. I probably bear my share of the blame in contributing to this along with many others.
It's possibly a failing that #neverending shares too, but I haven't spent any time in that channel so I have no way of knowing.
People are often too callous when it isn't deserved, and we haven't made enough of an effort to rein in certain things like profanity directed at other members who are in the chatroom, and attacking someone to their face rather than their ideas or positions. It has fostered a culture that hasn't made #nes an open and inviting place for everyone. I think that #nes can still support NESes that are seen as "better" without tearing down individuals. I'm not saying this to try and take sides, because I still think #neverending is a bad idea. But there's no longer any doubt in my mind that #nes needs to put some new user behavior guidelines in place if we want to remain a positive place for the whole forum community, and not just part of it.
In order to walk this situation back, and perhaps take the first steps towards resolving this silly and unnecessary IRC rift, I think the operators of #nes need to talk about putting in place some basic guidelines for personal behavior. I'm not saying we should ban swearing and adopt CFC forum rules, but things are going to have to change if #nes is going to remain the IRC community for the entire forum, and not just a privileged hangout for certain people.
If we can't take those kinds of basic steps I'm not sure I'm willing to continue supporting the channel in its current state. But I honestly believe that won't be necessary, as we're all reasonable people and we are still a community. The division of the two rooms isn't necessarily as poisonous as the personal attacks that have come with it, and the potential blowback on the NESes that we truly care about. Things like kraznaya quitting N3S should never have happened, and deeply troubled me when they did. We just can't afford to reduce a small community like ours any further with such factionalism.
While I don't think that azale's and Luckymoose's actions in forming a new channel were appropriate, and were in many ways deeply immature, I can't deny any longer that there's often something wrong with the tone of #nes. I don't know if it has gotten worse recently, but it seems like flaming and personal attacks are at an all-time high. I probably bear my share of the blame in contributing to this along with many others.
It's possibly a failing that #neverending shares too, but I haven't spent any time in that channel so I have no way of knowing.
People are often too callous when it isn't deserved, and we haven't made enough of an effort to rein in certain things like profanity directed at other members who are in the chatroom, and attacking someone to their face rather than their ideas or positions. It has fostered a culture that hasn't made #nes an open and inviting place for everyone. I think that #nes can still support NESes that are seen as "better" without tearing down individuals. I'm not saying this to try and take sides, because I still think #neverending is a bad idea. But there's no longer any doubt in my mind that #nes needs to put some new user behavior guidelines in place if we want to remain a positive place for the whole forum community, and not just part of it.
In order to walk this situation back, and perhaps take the first steps towards resolving this silly and unnecessary IRC rift, I think the operators of #nes need to talk about putting in place some basic guidelines for personal behavior. I'm not saying we should ban swearing and adopt CFC forum rules, but things are going to have to change if #nes is going to remain the IRC community for the entire forum, and not just a privileged hangout for certain people.
If we can't take those kinds of basic steps I'm not sure I'm willing to continue supporting the channel in its current state. But I honestly believe that won't be necessary, as we're all reasonable people and we are still a community. The division of the two rooms isn't necessarily as poisonous as the personal attacks that have come with it, and the potential blowback on the NESes that we truly care about. Things like kraznaya quitting N3S should never have happened, and deeply troubled me when they did. We just can't afford to reduce a small community like ours any further with such factionalism.
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