Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
I was talking to Luckymoose, bro.
While We Wait: Writer's Block & Other Lame Excuses
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Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
It would be nice if both sides could admit that they made mistakes and overreacted.
Let's step back from the brink of hating people. We're all intelligent individuals here, and we could find some common ground and address people's concerns about the IRC community if we really wanted to.
>_>
Let's step back from the brink of hating people. We're all intelligent individuals here, and we could find some common ground and address people's concerns about the IRC community if we really wanted to.
>_>
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
You are meanies, but you feel secure in your meanie status because of your power. You've done it for years, Kraz.
If you truly wanted to partake in the community you'd idle in both channels, but that wouldn't be very fun because you lack the ability to kickban people in #neverending.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Uh, Lucky, you're...not idling in #nes.
Pot, kettle, black. Just sayin'.
Pot, kettle, black. Just sayin'.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
I have no reason to. I put up with nothing but abuse for three years in that chatroom. And before anyone comes and says, "You deserved it." Go to hell you miscreants.
North King
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I can't believe you've apparently decided fc's opinion was simple truth, but I think it's hilarious that you would bring that idea up, given the events in this thread.
I looked up the one PM I have relating to splitting off of #nes. It's from Luckymoose, and it is 5 sentences long -- two of them one or two words long. What a manifesto. And that PM is pretty even-keeled, given that it's from Lucky. I guess azale just couldn't find me to PM.
But for the love of God, stop making this out to be a power play. Kraz, I had told you since at least the fall of 2011 that I disapproved of certain ways things were getting handled in #nes. I didn't want power. I think I used hop status for anything other than voicing people once. And whenever I brought up concerns to you, you poo-pooed them. Every time I brought up the fact that I found the tone of the conversation and the heavy-handedness of the moderating (if you could even call moderating at that point), you ignored it. Then, when it finally surfaced in WWW, you got all angry at me for "airing dirty laundry in public."
I know that I, personally, brought up these concerns at least 3 separate times in very clear and plain language. Over the course of two years, I tried to explain to you why I thought #nes was heading down a bad road.
You did not address these concerns. You did not even treat them as legitimate concerns. So I chose to join a new chatroom when it became an option. That's it. Since then, it has been repeatedly blasted as a "coup" or "schism"; been repeatedly bashed behind the scenes in #nes; you messaged me to tell me that Luckymoose and azale were idiots who didn't deserve my time of day; you quit my NES which you had invested probably tens of thousands of words into, explicitly telling me it was because I had left #nes. I now apparently can't speak to one of my best ever friends from the Internet because he refuses to go into the "wrong" chatroom.
But no, I guess #neverending is a hotspot of melodrama, and of overreaction.
And stop portraying azale as some sort of self-centered jerk; the reasons we left have been reiterated so many times that painting it all as a power-play is ridiculous. It's getting borderline offensive, too.
Dis has nothing to do with this. Noob and alex were basically doing my orders for me because I was incompetent at dealing with the ruleset. I thought it was unfair to Dis to continue, so I left. It was a good nes, I just wasn't very good AT it. I havn't been here a decade for my health. I havn't failed at modding 10 nes' for my health either
Dude, I tried that remember? I apologized and everything. You were there. It didn't go well. I'm not the confrontational sort, this isn't fun for me.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
You literally only came into this thread to call us all idiots, so yeah, you're a condescending jackass.
Fair enough.
Gem Hound
Deity
And now you are resorting to swearing at eachother.......
Where's a moderator when you need them?
This thread has been derailed. I didn't think it would be possible to derail a thread like this, but you all have done it. Regardless of what happens, I want to say that both sides are acting childish and that they should just stop. Or log off, and log on again tomorrow with different thoughts in their heads.
Who cares what channel we use? It is only a chat channel on both sides.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
I mean, am I wrong or did NK not just come into this thread to say "Heh, you're all idiots, but that's the internet for you.
"
Kraznaya
Princeps
Yes - I dismissed the "concerns" you had from the moment you addressed them to me - because I didn't think they were particularly salient or worth addressing. The personality of a chatroom obviously reflects the character of the people who frequent it, and you can't change that without physically banning people from the chatroom. As much as I might personally wish it, even Luckymoose isn't permanently banned from the channel, so your objections to #nes such as it was and is obviously would not be ameliorated by a moderation change. Since it was plaintively obvious that your actual objection to #nes was due to the presence of a few members you disliked talking to, I told you of the /ignore function and assumed that that would be a level-headed solution that would not cut off your access with the rest of the community you could access on the channel.
In any case, you continued to use #nes throughout this period and even tacitly used it as the active nexus of discussion of your NES for months on end. When did things change? When 1. a member you disliked talking to returned and you chose to immediately stop frequenting the channel, despite him not doing anything to abuse you whatsoever 2. Azale returned and found out that his founder status had lapsed for inactivity. That's what started the ridiculous dramatics of secret PMs, attempted change in channel powers, foundation of a rival channel, etc.
Oh, and if you wanted to talk to Thlayli, you could also join the other channel, you know. It's a two way street.
Oruc
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Nope!
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Really?
Kraznaya
Princeps
personally i think people who post in the tavern should be gassed en masse
Oruc
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North King
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Nice thought, Crezth, but my intent was to get yconou guys to stop talking down to Lucky. Only subsequently did I start to think you were being an idiot.
As for your absurd post, Kraz, I told you already: I did not regard them as trivial concerns. The fact that you think they were exclusively directed at fc or Dachs shows how completely you disregarded them, and how out of touch you've gotten. And again, I talked to Lucky about moving channels. Wed discussed it for months before the move. Your delusions of some conspiracy to oust you are simply nuts. I asked lucky how we could set up an irc channel to talk, he told me to go on #neverending. And the fact of the matter is that I couldn't give a flying frick about Dachs return. He was not the catalyst for the move.
As for your absurd post, Kraz, I told you already: I did not regard them as trivial concerns. The fact that you think they were exclusively directed at fc or Dachs shows how completely you disregarded them, and how out of touch you've gotten. And again, I talked to Lucky about moving channels. Wed discussed it for months before the move. Your delusions of some conspiracy to oust you are simply nuts. I asked lucky how we could set up an irc channel to talk, he told me to go on #neverending. And the fact of the matter is that I couldn't give a flying frick about Dachs return. He was not the catalyst for the move.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
1. You shouldn't be in a position of power over a community that you repeatedly insult as below your standards. I've been here longer than you, contributed more than you and continue to play in NESes despite the attempts by you and yours to remove discussion of those NESes from a chatroom dedicated to NESing. I would never consider banning you from any chat. I do, however, think power over the community has gone to your head and driven you away from the fun to be had here.
2. No, that is not at all why those PMs were sent. I only brought Azale in after the first round of PMs went out. I did that because he was in a similar situation and I did not want founder or power status in a new channel. I never cared for power. I only ever cared about a channel where the good of NESing can show through without the veil of #nes leadership contorting our hobby.
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