@joank: sodomy is the act, homosexuality is the inclination. So I'm afraid your request is denied Joan. @Erez: its funny how you have to say that you are winning to yourself as if simply saying the words somehow translated into it being real. At any rate, as I clearly said that the current ascent of Jihadi islam in the middle east is monstrous and bad, I think my previous statement about the refusal of liberals to read what their opponents write applies, although of course I would be pleased if the current liberal hegemony in the west came to its logical end, and the traditional underpinnings of western civilisation were restored to their customary place in society (including of course recognition of sodomy as bad). The key thing being of course that I would prefer an internal restoration, and oppose making the west into a simulacrum of the third world. Oh and as to war, you are naïve about human nature if you think violence over ideals doesn't happen. About as naïve as if you think your own positions on sexuality somehow exist as a lowest common denominator (they don't) and that asserting things off the cuff renders them true.