While We Wait: Writer's Block & Other Lame Excuses
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Luckymoose
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You would want Tekkit if you had Tekkit.
Luckymoose
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Because you're wrong.
Luckymoose
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You would be if you experienced Tekkit.
Luckymoose
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You didn't experience proper Tekkit.
Terrance888
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Am I the only one slighty tickled that two Japans are facing world wide (scope, not inclusive) coalitions in two NESes in the 1920s ongoing at the same time?
Namely, CI and SMW.
Namely, CI and SMW.
What I like is that I'm a major participant in both. 
And these are the only two NESes I'm playing in, too. And it's a complete coincidence... I wasn't expecting CI Japan to declare war when I made the original (secret) arrangements to declare war on SMW Japan.
And these are the only two NESes I'm playing in, too. And it's a complete coincidence... I wasn't expecting CI Japan to declare war when I made the original (secret) arrangements to declare war on SMW Japan.
Terrance888
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You know what I would really want to see?
An Asia-centric "Great Power" style NES, with industrialized Asian countries, no united china. Maybe the major colonial/world powers as Greater Korea, Japan, Ming (southern), Qing (northern half), Greater Vietnam. Probably a couple of Indian/SE Asians too. PoD would be China/Japan didn't stagnate due to regional competition while Europe does for some reason, swapping their techno-imperial positions. Middle east will stay somewhat the same.
I will also ban the use of the "Greater West Eurasian Co-Prosperity Sphere" established by a quickly-industrializing England, who seeks ownership of (first) Denmark and Normandy against the decaying Greater Holy Roman Empire.
EDIT: Of course, the same predictable things will happen anyways. Not worth it in the end, most likely. The Asian Paradigm for foreign policy is quite different from the European Paradigm.
An Asia-centric "Great Power" style NES, with industrialized Asian countries, no united china. Maybe the major colonial/world powers as Greater Korea, Japan, Ming (southern), Qing (northern half), Greater Vietnam. Probably a couple of Indian/SE Asians too. PoD would be China/Japan didn't stagnate due to regional competition while Europe does for some reason, swapping their techno-imperial positions. Middle east will stay somewhat the same.
I will also ban the use of the "Greater West Eurasian Co-Prosperity Sphere" established by a quickly-industrializing England, who seeks ownership of (first) Denmark and Normandy against the decaying Greater Holy Roman Empire.
EDIT: Of course, the same predictable things will happen anyways. Not worth it in the end, most likely. The Asian Paradigm for foreign policy is quite different from the European Paradigm.
Popcornlord
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I don't believe I've seen this here, although it's probably elsewhere in the forums:
Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
I can't decide whether it's an interesting subversion of colonialism in a fairly historical game, or Paradox has gone completely insane. Would make a cool NES though. Boost the Mesoamericans a couple of tech levels, and let nature take its course. Has anyone done it before, and if so, does anyone have the link?
Edit: on the topic of switching colonial powers...
Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
I can't decide whether it's an interesting subversion of colonialism in a fairly historical game, or Paradox has gone completely insane. Would make a cool NES though. Boost the Mesoamericans a couple of tech levels, and let nature take its course. Has anyone done it before, and if so, does anyone have the link?
Edit: on the topic of switching colonial powers...
Optical
The Fall of the Eleventh
Funnily enough, it was all over the Crusader Kings 2 thread when they announced it. It's also the origin of my avatar.
I quite like that they decided they can have a bit of fun. It's one of the major pluses of the DLC system: you buy the changes you want. Thus, the many people who complained about it had the option not to buy it, and, well, we get it.
It's also the origin of my avatar.I quite like that they decided they can have a bit of fun. It's one of the major pluses of the DLC system: you buy the changes you want. Thus, the many people who complained about it had the option not to buy it, and, well, we get it.
Popcornlord
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I, er, um... well, I guess that makes sense then. I should really check for a Crusader Kings thread first.
That also finally explains what your location is supposed to mean.
The question about the NES still stands though. I would be interested in seeing how it ended up.
That also finally explains what your location is supposed to mean.
The question about the NES still stands though. I would be interested in seeing how it ended up.
Optical
The Fall of the Eleventh
I agree, that would be fun, but it might need to be automated or human error/bias might mess it up. 
Angst
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I've actually considered making players play not-Europe and not-powers-of-Mesopotamia in a redrawn world map where Europe is therefore a vertical continent and the horizontal continent of Asiatexica would invade the Europeans with blood gods and Celestial Empires under the Sun.
Without players being in the know before it happens.
"Screw you hahaha"
Without players being in the know before it happens.
"Screw you hahaha"
Seems slightly tricky to pull off without just having a handwave and saying 'that's the way things are'. Still, a potentially interesting setting!You know what I would really want to see?
An Asia-centric "Great Power" style NES, with industrialized Asian countries, no united china. Maybe the major colonial/world powers as Greater Korea, Japan, Ming (southern), Qing (northern half), Greater Vietnam. Probably a couple of Indian/SE Asians too. PoD would be China/Japan didn't stagnate due to regional competition while Europe does for some reason, swapping their techno-imperial positions. Middle east will stay somewhat the same.
I will also ban the use of the "Greater West Eurasian Co-Prosperity Sphere" established by a quickly-industrializing England, who seeks ownership of (first) Denmark and Normandy against the decaying Greater Holy Roman Empire.
EDIT: Of course, the same predictable things will happen anyways. Not worth it in the end, most likely. The Asian Paradigm for foreign policy is quite different from the European Paradigm.
Behold the power of making your own world map!
Terrance888
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A little bit extra musing here.
1) Mongolians never conquer the Song. Reason? IDK. Eventually establishing a semi-hostile and semi-beneficial trading agreements/ceasefire along the Yangtse. Is this tributary? Vassalage? Does it matter in the end?
2) Corollary: Mongolian attack on Western Europe was stronger, establishes Russia-like subsidiary states in Poland and other east-central nation. HRE is more united than historically with a new clear threat to unite against. May or may not include France. See below.
3) France/English 100 (200?)-years war degraded instead of increased nationalism. Both monarchies collapse in warfare and regionalism (like IRL HRE) expand. HRE may "annex" or "included" these successor states into its organization.
4) Now, everything above is based on an altered Mongolian focus. Stuff after that is a bit more iffy, like if the Japanese will unite the way they did without the Mongolian attacks? We shall assume they did.
5) Zheng he. Ahahaha... no. Pre-black death, the Song (with whatever agreement with the Yuan) turned to the seas, and with their river fleet experience built naval fleets that gained tribute from SE Asia and beyond.
6) Thinking about whether to keep it Yuan/Song, or to "modernize it" as Qing/Ming, or some other combination, like even Ming/Song, or a Qing north and a Yuan south. A United China, though, would be IMHO too powerful for meaningful world politics. It would be like an Anglo-france appearing after the 100 years war that then assimilates all of Iberia.
7) There must be a mechanism for Song inventions (and others) to develop and spread, perhaps against the will of the Song Chinese. Other than the 2 Chinas (maybe a Tibet/East Turkestani State as well) and Japan, I would ideally like a strong and semi-independent Korea and Vietnam, without looking at good Indian states to "buff up". This will give us 4-7 states, or our Portugal/Spain/France/England/Netherlands/Scandinavians "analogies".
*Also, we need motivation. China didn't really WANT anything nonchinese, other than importing horses for the army and silver/gold because duh.*
8) Starting period: a "Chinese Columbus" (Zheng He is too discredited by everyone. I feel dirty if I use that name for this) finds the New World while Europe slowly recovers from the alt-his 1200-1400 troubles in time for the first East Asian fleets to begin poking about looking for ports. OTL 1492-1520s. This will focus on their exploration and first trading posts and contact.
9) East Asia has marked areas for colonization, and begun pursuing mercantilism concerning trade routes, partners, and puppet states. OTL 1580s-1640s. This will focus on early colonial rivalry and trade-based conflict.
10) "World wars" are fought over colonies and their resources, there are clear delineated "Major" colonial powers, and others who are either scrambling to catch up or to establish a niche. 1700-1750. This will focus on rivalry both over somewhat established colonies as well as puppet states. Major and Minor powers ally for niches, cash, balance of powers and prehaps other reasons.
11) "The Scramble For Europe" As EA heads to modern times, land grows fewer and rivalries intensify. The first directly-controlled colony revolutionalized dealings with puppet states, and soon it became the preferred form of imperialism. Meanwhile, European states have a real chance to play states off each other to try to industrialize a-la japan, despite internal inertia and ulterior motives. 1830s-1860s
I might repost in New NESes. Also, IDK if I will actually run this, but if I do I will run it after Part 2 of The Civil Experiment.
1) Mongolians never conquer the Song. Reason? IDK. Eventually establishing a semi-hostile and semi-beneficial trading agreements/ceasefire along the Yangtse. Is this tributary? Vassalage? Does it matter in the end?
2) Corollary: Mongolian attack on Western Europe was stronger, establishes Russia-like subsidiary states in Poland and other east-central nation. HRE is more united than historically with a new clear threat to unite against. May or may not include France. See below.
3) France/English 100 (200?)-years war degraded instead of increased nationalism. Both monarchies collapse in warfare and regionalism (like IRL HRE) expand. HRE may "annex" or "included" these successor states into its organization.
4) Now, everything above is based on an altered Mongolian focus. Stuff after that is a bit more iffy, like if the Japanese will unite the way they did without the Mongolian attacks? We shall assume they did.
5) Zheng he. Ahahaha... no. Pre-black death, the Song (with whatever agreement with the Yuan) turned to the seas, and with their river fleet experience built naval fleets that gained tribute from SE Asia and beyond.
6) Thinking about whether to keep it Yuan/Song, or to "modernize it" as Qing/Ming, or some other combination, like even Ming/Song, or a Qing north and a Yuan south. A United China, though, would be IMHO too powerful for meaningful world politics. It would be like an Anglo-france appearing after the 100 years war that then assimilates all of Iberia.
7) There must be a mechanism for Song inventions (and others) to develop and spread, perhaps against the will of the Song Chinese. Other than the 2 Chinas (maybe a Tibet/East Turkestani State as well) and Japan, I would ideally like a strong and semi-independent Korea and Vietnam, without looking at good Indian states to "buff up". This will give us 4-7 states, or our Portugal/Spain/France/England/Netherlands/Scandinavians "analogies".
*Also, we need motivation. China didn't really WANT anything nonchinese, other than importing horses for the army and silver/gold because duh.*
8) Starting period: a "Chinese Columbus" (Zheng He is too discredited by everyone. I feel dirty if I use that name for this
) finds the New World while Europe slowly recovers from the alt-his 1200-1400 troubles in time for the first East Asian fleets to begin poking about looking for ports. OTL 1492-1520s. This will focus on their exploration and first trading posts and contact.9) East Asia has marked areas for colonization, and begun pursuing mercantilism concerning trade routes, partners, and puppet states. OTL 1580s-1640s. This will focus on early colonial rivalry and trade-based conflict.
10) "World wars" are fought over colonies and their resources, there are clear delineated "Major" colonial powers, and others who are either scrambling to catch up or to establish a niche. 1700-1750. This will focus on rivalry both over somewhat established colonies as well as puppet states. Major and Minor powers ally for niches, cash, balance of powers and prehaps other reasons.
11) "The Scramble For Europe" As EA heads to modern times, land grows fewer and rivalries intensify. The first directly-controlled colony revolutionalized dealings with puppet states, and soon it became the preferred form of imperialism. Meanwhile, European states have a real chance to play states off each other to try to industrialize a-la japan, despite internal inertia and ulterior motives. 1830s-1860s
I might repost in New NESes. Also, IDK if I will actually run this, but if I do I will run it after Part 2 of The Civil Experiment.
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