Symphony D.
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Damn plague.Luckymoose said:
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Luckymoose
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Symphony D. said:Damn plague.
i would do a alt hist or something. But I would need a map and stats or help with them.
Symphony D.
Deity
No, but much as weeds choke the life out of surrounding plants, so too do the overwhelming number of Fresh Starts--and the people that constantly advocate them when someone asks what to do 
--choke the life out of game types I do want to play. In that regard they annoy me greatly. I'm annoyed for other reasons as well, but I don't want to start sounding like Panda with his "Damn kids, get off my lawn," routine, so I'll hold my peace (or at least try to).
I just want some quality diversity.
--choke the life out of game types I do want to play. In that regard they annoy me greatly. I'm annoyed for other reasons as well, but I don't want to start sounding like Panda with his "Damn kids, get off my lawn," routine, so I'll hold my peace (or at least try to).I just want some quality diversity.
I, personally, am a little annoyed by all of the Fresh Starts on the forum as well. I mean, too much of a good thing...
Question: Do you chappies consider anything before 1000 AD OTL equivalency "Fresh Start", or no? Would a classical NES be a fresh start?
Question: Do you chappies consider anything before 1000 AD OTL equivalency "Fresh Start", or no? Would a classical NES be a fresh start?
Symphony D.
Deity
Short answer: no.
Long answer (these are purely my definitions and terms, mostly off-the-cuff):
- Fresh Start: Anything starting with a blank world map. More or less free-form.
- Bronze: 1500- BC
- Iron: ~ 1500 - 400 BC
- Classical: 400 BC - 400 AD
- Dark Ages: 400 - 1000 AD
- Medieval: ~ 1000 - 1450 AD
- Renaissance: ~ 1450 - 1650 AD
- Imperial: ~1650 - 1814 AD
- Industrial: 1815 - 1944 AD
- Atomic: 1945 - 1990 AD
- Digital: 1990 - 2020 AD
- Future: 2020+ AD
Atomic through Digital would constitute my definition of "Modern."
Long answer (these are purely my definitions and terms, mostly off-the-cuff):
- Fresh Start: Anything starting with a blank world map. More or less free-form.
- Bronze: 1500- BC
- Iron: ~ 1500 - 400 BC
- Classical: 400 BC - 400 AD
- Dark Ages: 400 - 1000 AD
- Medieval: ~ 1000 - 1450 AD
- Renaissance: ~ 1450 - 1650 AD
- Imperial: ~1650 - 1814 AD
- Industrial: 1815 - 1944 AD
- Atomic: 1945 - 1990 AD
- Digital: 1990 - 2020 AD
- Future: 2020+ AD
Atomic through Digital would constitute my definition of "Modern."
alex994
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I protest this euro-centric naming system! The "Dark Ages" were the glory age of Tang China and the Umayyad Caliphate.
The "Dark Ages" were the glory age of Tang China and the Umayyad Caliphate.
Symphony D.
Deity
So... it was a dark age? 
If I were to rename it, it'd probably be "[INTERMISSION]." The Tang were impressive technologically, but not geopolitically, and the Umayyads... meh. Couldn't even conquer weak, divided Europe. Who cares about them? Not a good period to set NESes in, at any rate.
If I were to rename it, it'd probably be "[INTERMISSION]." The Tang were impressive technologically, but not geopolitically, and the Umayyads... meh. Couldn't even conquer weak, divided Europe. Who cares about them? Not a good period to set NESes in, at any rate.
alex994
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I beg your pardon? The Tang were not impressive geopolitcally? 
Symphony D.
Deity
It seems I was thinking of Sui. Still, like most Chinese Dynasties they seemed to content themselves with making everyone around them pay homage to the Middle Kingdom and leaving it at that, which is not terribly exciting.
On another note entirely... There are infrequently these Middle Ages, Europe-only NESes and Sengoku Jidai Japan-only NESes (like ToukonNES). Why has nobody done a Romance of the Three Kingdoms, China-only NES? Or some other period of divided unity? Much easier and interesting than somehow spliting up the United States, or what have you.
On another note entirely... There are infrequently these Middle Ages, Europe-only NESes and Sengoku Jidai Japan-only NESes (like ToukonNES). Why has nobody done a Romance of the Three Kingdoms, China-only NES? Or some other period of divided unity? Much easier and interesting than somehow spliting up the United States, or what have you.
They did grab Central Asia, after all.alex994 said:I beg your pardon? The Tang were not impressive geopolitcally?
With regards to your "Dark Ages" bit: That was the glory of the Eastern Roman Empire! Why on Earth...
alex994
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Symphony D. said:
Well a Romance of the Three Kingdoms China-only NES would have limited the players to a degree as in comparison with the Warring States Era. There has been a nes about the Warring States though
Thlayli
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Dachspmg said:They did grab Central Asia, after all.
With regards to your "Dark Ages" bit: That was the glory of the Eastern Roman Empire! Why on Earth...
Eh, more like several golden ages and near-collapse crises wedged together.
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smiley is far overused, and will soon replace actual emotions altogether.North King
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I like fresh starts; the more, the better. No, I don't think it's too much of a good thing. I happen to be a world-builder at heart, and seeing people take nations in althists or historical NESes, then acting completely nonsensical, tears at my gut.
alex994
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I agree with that. Have you not seen carmen as China in drake's nes? My soul..... 
My soul.....
Symphony D.
Deity
I don't care about the history or what not of later starts. That's not truly what appeals to me about them, although an interesting situation can. I care about the technology. Pointy stick gets really old, really fast. Somebody starts (in a way that is not mind-numbingly godawful) a fresh start with modern technology, and fine, I'll participate in that, because there are things I can very easily do that interest me in such a circumstance.
But nobody does. It's always bronze to steel pointy sticks. It gets old incredibly quickly waiting for these Fresh Starts to take the 12 months or whatever to get even 20 - 30 updates in and then they're still nowhere near the time periods I want to want to see. Seeing gunpowder is a breath of fresh air and an incredibly rare achivement. Most of them die long before then. So yes, Fresh Start has its advantages. But it has serious drawbacks too. And people touting it like it's god's gift to NESing and the one true path does nothing but irritate me because it tends to screw me out of enjoying it unless I want to wait a year or two, should I not be struck by some measure of inspiration. Yes, it does boil down to me, me, me. I know the only way I will ever see some of the NESes I really want to play is if I run them myself, and that does me little good in terms of playing them, does it?
And there, I've gone and failed at my promise, but I'm calling it like I see it. Homogeneity bad. NES genre racism bad. Diversity good.
But nobody does. It's always bronze to steel pointy sticks. It gets old incredibly quickly waiting for these Fresh Starts to take the 12 months or whatever to get even 20 - 30 updates in and then they're still nowhere near the time periods I want to want to see. Seeing gunpowder is a breath of fresh air and an incredibly rare achivement. Most of them die long before then. So yes, Fresh Start has its advantages. But it has serious drawbacks too. And people touting it like it's god's gift to NESing and the one true path does nothing but irritate me because it tends to screw me out of enjoying it unless I want to wait a year or two, should I not be struck by some measure of inspiration. Yes, it does boil down to me, me, me. I know the only way I will ever see some of the NESes I really want to play is if I run them myself, and that does me little good in terms of playing them, does it?
And there, I've gone and failed at my promise, but I'm calling it like I see it. Homogeneity bad. NES genre racism bad. Diversity good.
alex994
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