Who do you want to see as the 47th POTUS and why?

[JollyRoger]

Yeah - this has been going on for decades and if we measure post-Ford, 3 President failed to get re-elected, and 4 got re-elected. There are structural changes going on where a college degree is becoming less of a necessity and if people keep getting priced out of the college option, employers are going to have to adjust their expectations.

 

[Samson]

So that pretty much measures things up to 2010 and I agree up to that point. A lot has happened since then, especially in the past couple of years.

Plus, even if true and continuing, it's a multi-decade trend. Hard to pin that on Biden.

I definatly agree that the economy has very little to do with Biden. That does not stop it affecting peoples voting though.

 

[Ajidica]

Honestly, no idea. Kamala seems to be doing nothing at all; last I heard was some laundry-airing articles over in Politico saying she still hasn't figured out how to properly run an office and is suffering the same turmoil she had as presidential candidate.
The rest of the Democrats are either too old (Sanders), too elitist (Warren), too much of a weenie / not enough experience (Buttigieg), or too likely to throw a stapler at you (THE KLOB). The people I would be interested in becoming President, like Sherrod Brown, have made it clear they have absolutely no interest in becoming president.

 

[Hygro]

It’s Gavin, guys.

If Biden is out, and O’Cortez doesn’t run, it’s Gavin.

 

[Ajidica]

It’s Gavin, guys.

If Biden is out, and O’Cortez doesn’t run, it’s Gavin.

Why? California is notorious for bureaucratic red tape, the whole NIMBY/housing crisis, homelessness, and is a hotbed of "woke" nonsense like the whole school renaming thing that will be perpetually brought up to troll or make him denounce it.

 

[JollyRoger]

Governors of California make terrible Presidents.

 

[Rg339]

Why? California is notorious for bureaucratic red tape, the whole NIMBY/housing crisis, homelessness, and is a hotbed of "woke" nonsense like the whole school renaming thing that will be perpetually brought up to troll or make him denounce it.

Newsom, however, is a (relatively)young (relatively) handsome face. If you care about winning, that matters, like it or not.

There are double standards everywhere. In the famous Nixon v JFK debate, first televised I believe, radio listeners thought Nixon won. TV views thought Kennedy won. The persuasive power of Kennedy’s arguments were evidentially boosted by his appearance, and Nixon(who also refused to wear make-up), saw his persuasive power diminish.

I don’t really like Newsom. But, there is an urgency to the political moment, I think, and Newsom is a pretty sound strategic bet.

edit: I like Sherrod Brown too

 

[Zardnaar]

So that pretty much measures things up to 2010 and I agree up to that point. A lot has happened since then, especially in the past couple of years.

Plus, even if true and continuing, it's a multi-decade trend. Hard to pin that on Biden.

Not Bidens fault but collective failure of the parade of idiots USA has had as president since Reagan.

Goes beyond them as well but it was Reagan who started taking the axe to post WW2 social security net.

 

[Hygro]

Why? California is notorious for bureaucratic red tape, the whole NIMBY/housing crisis, homelessness, and is a hotbed of "woke" nonsense like the whole school renaming thing that will be perpetually brought up to troll or make him denounce it.

Because he'd be a good president like he's been a good governor.

Newsom, however, is a (relatively)young (relatively) handsome face. If you care about winning, that matters, like it or not.

There are double standards everywhere. In the famous Nixon v JFK debate, first televised I believe, radio listeners thought Nixon won. TV views thought Kennedy won. The persuasive power of Kennedy’s arguments were evidentially boosted by his appearance, and Nixon(who also refused to wear make-up), saw his persuasive power diminish.

I don’t really like Newsom. But, there is an urgency to the political moment, I think, and Newsom is a pretty sound strategic bet.

edit: I like Sherrod Brown too

Funny thing, I watched the Nixon JFK debate a few years ago and I thought JFK sounded smarter and Nixon looked better on camera. Kennedy's eyes were buggin and pointing opposite directions.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

idc man, give me a warm body that will wave through acceptable NLRB appointments and veto any deranged Republican proposals. That's all we can really hope for since the democrats refuse to utilize a mandate or govern in any way whatsoever.

democrats tried to use illegal mandates multiple times in the current term. they are part of the problem and deserve to lose for it. if the democratic party puts up more degenerate trash like that, it deserves to lose.

it doesn't have to put up degenerate trash, though. there is possibility space for people who are more in favor of social reform/take policy stances more aligned with democratic voters that don't spit on the constitution and lie constantly. desantis claims he won't run for next election, i would guess he's a heavy favorite if he does though. it shouldn't be that hard, in principle, to put someone up who can beat trump. but we'll probably get crap like kamala, warren, etc to push trump back in office anyway at this rate.

not thrilled about another trump term. better than biden, but that doesn't mean much. trump claimed he'd drain the swamp, then let that muck into his ear to appoint people who undermined him and the country simultaneously. he did not adjust much for that across his term, if at all. i thus have no reason to believe his 2nd term would be much different from first. lots of media/big techs attack, lots of bluster, a couple of decent policy implementations, a couple bad ones, and more nothing than either of those.

have made it clear they have absolutely no interest in becoming president.

it's funny how that works. having no interest in becoming president doesn't guarantee a good candidate, but it seems to make the person in question more likely to be a good candidate on average. i guess a lot of that comes down to someone who isn't power-hungry/ambitious both understanding and not wanting the burdens/costs to go with the position absent that ambition.

Goes beyond them as well but it was Reagan who started taking the axe to post WW2 social security net.

us financial policy started towards a crater around the time of "new deal".

 

[Lexicus]

Because he'd be a good president like he's been a good governor.

Didn't he get caught partying without a mask while the covid lockdowns were going on tho?

 

[Hygro]

Didn't he get caught partying without a mask while the covid lockdowns were going on tho?

Yeah, it's on my mind too. He's definitely... like that. We need to decide where we want to compromise. For example, if a candidate doesn't suffer the *current* Fox News talking points, does that make them a better bet? Or are we just being cowards and not choosing our best?

 

[Rg339]

Didn't he get caught partying without a mask while the covid lockdowns were going on tho?

Does that really stick against Newsom? America isn’t the UK, and Newsom’s not Boris

It’s a pretty good test, I guess. If he lacks the charisma to deflect something that light(in the US), he’s probably not the guy