Who gets into the afterlife?

Who makes it into the afterlife/heaven/vahala/etc.?

  • Only saints (believers without sin) make it.

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  • Only those without sin make it.

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  • Total voters
    79
If God embraced me you betcha I'd start believing that he exists :lol: You're making it sound like I'm rejecting some guy who's trying to hug me.

Trust me, if someone who knew everything, was all-powerful, and ALL-loving was hugging me, I would be the first one to acknowledge his existence. (in more ways than one)

Obviously, by that point most people would have figured out that God does, indeed, exist. But do you seriously think that you could eternally bare the guilt of knowing that in all your time on Earth you had rejected God, and he continues to love you?
 
Obviously, by that point most people would have figured out that God does, indeed, exist. But do you seriously think that you could eternally bare the guilt of knowing that in all your time on Earth you had rejected God, and he continues to love you?

In the context of an eternal afterlife, that isn't really very long, it's like a fleeting moment.
God would understand, it's not like god is making an effort to make itself known. All we have to base it on is a book written thousands of years ago, and some warm/tingly feeling some people claim to be god "touching" them.
 
So what about all the other good non-believers?

Or the good believers who accept Jesus Christ as their lord and Saviour along with Buddha and Guru Nanak?

This is jesus Speaking.
John 14:6 I am the way, the truth and the life: no commeth unto the Father but by me.

Jesus is the only way to get to heaven. But Jesus talked more about hell than he ever did talk about heaven, so he seems to believe that this place is real and it is place of eternal damnation.
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Clearly there is a place where you either get punished or have life for all eternity, unless Jesus is some how mistaken in what he is saying.
 
I would hope that everyone goes to hell. Because since everyone can't go to heaven, then we must make everyone go to hell. It is only just. If all rewards cannot be equally shared, than all miseries must be equally distributed.
 
Thats simply not biblical at all.

What are you talking about? Hell not being eternal damnation and instead being temporary damnation until the End Times when final judgment is made is not only a biblical position, but an ancient and traditional one.
 
What are you talking about? Hell not being eternal damnation and instead being temporary damnation until the End Times when final judgment is made is not only a biblical position, but an ancient and traditional one.

I was referring to the allegation that heaven/salvation was open to believers and non-believers alike.
 
You are a child of God, if you believe in Jesus as your personal saviour. I just forgot to end the last sentence.

That's even worse. So it doesn't matter whether you're good or you're bad, the sole criteria for judgement is your religious belief with regards to Jesus (actually, I'm curious, what's your take on what constitutes 'accepting Jesus as your personal saviour'?)? So God disregards humanity and good for one criteria, casting even the humane and good into hell if they do not pass that one criteria? That's very cruel. Very vindictive. Very callous.

You're assuming it's eternal. This isn't quite settled. Various schools of thought exist opining that 1) Hell is infinite, 2) Hell is finite and then people are burned up and annihilated, 3) Hell is finite and purgatorial and then people get to go to Heaven, 4) Hell isn't even finite, just an instant disintegration as the end of case two.

Regardless of which one might actually apply, the Orthodox Church has a nice metaphor: Hell is a metallurgist's fire in which the gold is purified but the slag is burnt. No particular cruelty or vindictiveness is involved in burning the slag, it just can't handle the heat.

Nice metaphor, but if you are subjecting someone to something that you know they cannot handle (being the metaphorical fire), I would classify that as particularly cruel and vindictive. A degree of suffering is involved. I would not want to praise such a God that inflicts this suffering.
 
Nice metaphor, but if you are subjecting someone to something that you know they cannot handle (being the metaphorical fire), I would classify that as particularly cruel and vindictive. A degree of suffering is involved. I would not want to praise such a God that inflicts this suffering.

Well of course they could handle it, we're talking about immortal souls here.
 
I put other since right now I don't know what religion I'm in, or even if I'm in one at all.

When I'm feeling religious, everyone eventually gets to the afterlife, I guess I believe in a purgatory or "jail"-type device. Where you stay there for a while to get purified or whatever and then go to teh afterlifez.

When I'm feeling nonreligious, obviously the first option.

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Is it safe to say that if there was a god punishing people who didn't worship it, by sending them to an eternity of infinite pain, that said god is perpetrating an act of evil more evil than any mortal has or ever will be capable of?

You could say that god transcends good/evil, but that's a cop-out.
Even the most evil person couldn't punish someone for eternity, with infinite suffering... is that the kind of deity you want to worship? I didn't worship it for a few decades on earth, and now I get to burn forever? Are you serial?

I personally think hell was invented (along with heaven/god) for the purpose of gaining converts out of fear.
 
I find this relevant
An Inuit hunter asked the local missionary priest: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" "No," said the priest, "not if you did not know." "Then why," asked the Inuit earnestly, "did you tell me?"
 
Nice metaphor, but if you are subjecting someone to something that you know they cannot handle (being the metaphorical fire), I would classify that as particularly cruel and vindictive. A degree of suffering is involved. I would not want to praise such a God that inflicts this suffering.
If that sissy Achilles could do it, you could too. Stop whining
 
That's even worse. So it doesn't matter whether you're good or you're bad, the sole criteria for judgement is your religious belief with regards to Jesus (actually, I'm curious, what's your take on what constitutes 'accepting Jesus as your personal saviour'?)? So God disregards humanity and good for one criteria, casting even the humane and good into hell if they do not pass that one criteria? That's very cruel. Very vindictive. Very callous.

God made the rules. It is not about how "good" we are, since we will never measure up to his standard that he said. You have to put your trust in the person who did measure up to God's standards. I have underlined the important parts that you are not seeing. The one in what you said and compare it to what the Bible says.
Romans 3:10-23 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

I do have to ask you this question. Why did Jesus die on the cross for then, if it is your good works are enough to get into heaven? Personally I see no need for him to even come to earth if we can get there by the power of our own good deeds. We are saved by grace through faith.
Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So it is either by the one of the two, by grace or works, you cannot be saved by both.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

The stark reality is that Jesus will reject those who "do" things om his name, but are not belonging to him.
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
Is it safe to say that if there was a god punishing people who didn't worship it, by sending them to an eternity of infinite pain, that said god is perpetrating an act of evil more evil than any mortal has or ever will be capable of?

The usual retort is that people send people to Hell, not God. God wants all of us to be saved, but we reject salvation by not obeying his instructions.

'Course, that leaves open the question of whether it's that morally better for God to set things up so that people are allowed to go to Hell, as opposed to actively sending them to Hell instead.
 
We're still discovering things in this universe. Should I try to imagine our afterlife or some other place?
 
Believers go into the afterlife as virgins for the rest of us to enjoy. Thus the 72-to-1 believer-to-nonbeliever ratio.
 
Sounds like you're getting too far ahead of yourself or behind yourself depending where you think such a place is imo.
 
It's impossible to say because there doesn't seem to be any return flight available, thus no first hand accounts of what happens.

Suppose each religion has a corresponding heaven. Then the Christian heaven has accepting Christ as a sort of membership card. Some would say that's the only criteria, others would say you have to be virtuous too, at least good > evil. The Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc. heavens would have corresponding entry criteria according to their beliefs. Each one is as described in the relevant scriptures (if any) and every religion is correct. I suppose that leaves true non-believers in a featureless void? And of course this hypothesis would send the truly evil to a place of corresponding evil, aka hell.

So, I voted in the poll according to the definition of afterlife commonly accepted by my religion, but I think the true answer is more likely to be "everyone goes to a place that mirrors the balance of their life experience."

If there is anything at all, I can't rule out the possibility that there is nothing beyond death.
 
Yet I'll try to come up with a better question. There are those, right?

Who should be the judge of your life? If you have to make a poll about it then you might have a problem imo.
 
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