Who is the most nationalistic group on the Forums?

[Angst]

This thread just had to engage flaming wars.

 

[cybrxkhan]

actually, the USA technically isn't a democracy.

no, this is no joke, im not saying "Cheney is DICtator" or anything...

its actually a federation.

and i have no idea why i threw that in.


EDIT:

This thread just had to engage flaming wars.

aye. some of the biggest and baddest i've seen in all my time here.

 

[Bill3000]

Easy.

#fiftychatters.

 

[alex sword]

cybrxkhan:

USA is a federal constitutional republic in political science terms. Constitutional republic is, in turn, a form of liberal democracy. So, USA is a form of a federal democracy.

I.e. there is no contradiction between federation and democracy.

The question number 1 - is USA the most democratic federation the world has ever seen, or is it just the most federal democracy which has ever existed in the universe?

Question number 2 - what kind of democracy was created in Afghan? You know, I call it a bastardized democracy, but perhaps there is a more scientific term for this disgrace. Any ideas?

 

[George2816]

We could spend billions on cancer research, a disease that only afflicts most people after they have led full lives, or we could probably feed every starving man, woman, and child on the planet with that money and allow some people who would starve to death at a very young age to live full lives themselves.

SO your telling me my sister died at 25 of cancer lived a full life??

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

I would think the US. Well a few of us are die-hard nationalists here. I'm an American citizen with Polish ethnicity, so I've got it double twice as bad I guess.

 

[ZB2]

True, going way back we evolved from one cell organisms. We split from the African races long ago. we have evolved away from them, and they have also evolved since we split.

Then Its proof that the evolution of single celled organisms is seen as a 'very bad move'

 

[cybrxkhan]

cybrxkhan:

USA is a federal constitutional republic in political science terms. Constitutional republic is, in turn, a form of liberal democracy. So, USA is a form of a federal democracy.

I.e. there is no contradiction between federation and democracy.

under technical terms, federation =/= democracy. but definitely they are very very similar. in a way.

however, nevertheless, federation =/= democracy.

 

[Atlas14]

Most people have sucky reasons for being nationalistic. My own sense of nationalism has become significantly small, yet I still have nothing against the existence of nationalism.

 

[Peng Qi]

It was said by a newspaper many people heard of (and many people read it).

Actually, the New York times is losing its readership at an alarming rate, thanks to most of the left-wing people getting their news from the internet now and most of the right-wing people realizing what a huge left-wing bias it has.

 

[Berrie]

My country would be high on the list of least-nationalistic.

Anyway, I voted USA.

 

[Traitorfish]

under technical terms, federation =/= democracy. but definitely they are very very similar. in a way.

however, nevertheless, federation =/= democracy.

Not really- "federal" and "democratic" describe too separate aspects of government, and are by no means incompatible. For example, the USA is a federation because of the fact it is comprised of multiple sovereign states, but it is a democracy because the leadership is elected by the people.
"Democracy" really just means some level of self-government, it doesn't entail a particular system of government. A democracy could be anything from an stateless anarchy to a world-spanning super-state and anything in between.

 

[Drewcifer]

USA! USA!

Actually at the other forum I frequent the European and Latin American posters are more nationalistic than most of the Americans here, the Americans there are even worse though.

 

[alex sword]

Traitorfish:

Exactly! Political science considers these aspects as different measurements of government, not antipods.

Pend Qi: Thank you very much for interesting discussion.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Not really- "federal" and "democratic" describe too separate aspects of government, and are by no means incompatible. For example, the USA is a federation because of the fact it is comprised of multiple sovereign states, but it is a democracy because the leadership is elected by the people.
"Democracy" really just means some level of self-government, it doesn't entail a particular system of government. A democracy could be anything from an stateless anarchy to a world-spanning super-state and anything in between.

hmm. thanks.

 

[El_Machinae]

I've found that the Canadians are the most calmly nationalistic. We're just latently proud to be Canadians.

 

[jeps]

Just going to mention that poppies are very important.

morphine and codine are used in many medicines.

EDIT: Canadians (with a few exceptions) love canada. We don't go out of our way to show it, but we do. We are very patriotic inside, but not the sort to shoot someone who doesn't stand up for O Canada, or create a diplomatic incident about it being booed at a sports event in the states. We just sang louder when the series came back here, and cheered for the SSB as well.

 

[alex sword]

> Just going to mention that poppies are very important.

And very profittable. Don't forget that all legal poppies farms are controlled by governments, comissions and police. Afghan poppies are controlled by former Talibans and, maybe, by corrupted Afghan government and USA officers.

 

[skallben]

I have known such people very well; I was such a person until relatively recently. I had no direction or desire to do anything. But I never faltered once. I've never turned to drugs or alcohol (in any quantity). This makes it difficult for me to have a significant degree of respect for anyone who is in a similar situation and shows weakness in that way.

Im sorry to hear that but with all respect, I does not sound like your hit the absolute bottom. There are depressions of different degrees. Anyways, quite a few people living on the street got quite interesting stories to tell. There is almost allways an explanation behind a person falling out of society. Not every one is a good and understandable one, some seem downright stupid. But in the end, it is usually a combination of terrible events leading them there. And back to the original topic about drug abuse and society; a person with a job is more beneficial to society than a drug-abuser and that is why I believe in rehabilitation.

Then how did September 11th happen? The train bombing in India? The terror attack in Spain?

9/11: Because it was, with all respect to those who lost anyone and those who died, a very smart plan noone expected. The guy in the CIA who warned about a impending attack wasnt taken seriously, the fighters didnt scrable in time as the standards they are supposed to live up to, the president played with kids. Taken with pants down - it would not be possible with todays security that is post-9/11. The conventional army won't help protect you against this, an average country with a decent air force could probably fend off a kamikaze-747 today. Spain got bombed for supporting America in Iraq.

We're not concerned with sovereign states anymore (except for Iran and North Korea). We're much more concerned with luring terrorists out of their holes and fighting them in their own territory (which is what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan). Why waste all that time sneaking into the United States to fly planes into things when there are Americans in your back door you can fight?

Afganistan and Iraq are/were sovereign states. That is why you have such a massive army. Your army isnt built for defense and that is why the growing state of it is terrifying to world-order. Those invasions/liberations was in fact contra-productive as the arab world felt that you did not attack the fundamentalists/terrorists but sovereign states instead. U.S have gained so many enemies with beforementioned two wars that it is almost ridicilous.

The fact of the matter is that every day, people make choices to spend money on themselves and things that directly affect themselves instead of spending it on much, much cheaper things that could literally save a person's life. This is why I'm such a cynic. Nobody is innocent. George Bush isn't doing anything that we all aren't also guilty of.

Yes, blind consuming is a threat to the planet since we are depleting it. One of the basic concepts of Capitalism is increase production and therefor consumption. This is why we in the west should start thinking about our everyday choices and start consuming with more thought. We also need to regulate the market so that enviromental crooks don't get away with cheaper products to sell. Unless we set an example, the whole third world will eventually try to mimic our bizarrely luxurious lifestyles.

Skallben:
The fact is - NATO does not satisfy to domination win per Civ 4 rules.

Another fact is - Western countries are ones who started two world wars within preceding 100 years (which is nothing from history perspective). I think you are too optimistic thinking Western countries as a whole.

Third fact is about Africa... Do you know China came in Africa with their own strategic interests. Check for example this article - http://www.cfr.org/publication/8436/

Yes I have herad about China, they do need their own "colonies" to grow, just as the west did.

Yes, you are right, I did exaggerate slightly. But the world order is different, the threat of nuclear holocaust makes the chance of another world war pretty minimal. Anyways, if western countries would start another war, wouldnt it be better if we had less weapons to . .. .. .. . up the planet with?

The whole point of my statement was the military concentration in NATO countries and the fact that we still seem to mobilize more, even though there are few threats. For what purpose?

 

[Phlegmak]

No one beats Americans when it comes to mindless nationalism.