Who is your favorite "bringer of science to the masses?"

Who is the best popular science communicator?

  • Carl Sagan

    Votes: 13 18.3%
  • Niel DeGrasse Tyson

    Votes: 14 19.7%
  • Bill Nye The Science Guy

    Votes: 10 14.1%
  • Brian Cox

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • David Attenborough

    Votes: 11 15.5%
  • Elise Andrews

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • X Person you didn't mention!

    Votes: 13 18.3%
  • Downtown's love is the only science I need

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • I am a luddite and hate science. Ignore that I am on a computer right now.

    Votes: 4 5.6%

  • Total voters
    71
Probably going to go with Attenborough, because of the BBC stuff you mentioned. But I'll admit that I'm really not familiar with the American personalities listed, so it's probably not the most well-informed judgement.
 
I'm not a fan of any of the scientists and engineers who have tried to get their 15 minutes of fame through popularizing these fields. If they were really all that prominent they would be far too busy doing their own research or teaching at the graduate level, instead of writing popular books, appearing on talk shows, and making speeches for tens of thousands of dollars.

I think the best spokesmen are writers and educators who know enough about science to ask scientists and engineers the right questions. They must also be able to understand the answers sufficiently well to write about it without making too many mistakes, where it is then hopefully thoroughly reviewed before publication.

Do you have an obnoxious opinion on everything?

Well...I guess I'd expect this out of the guy who said everyone who's ever been to the moon was an idiot.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11002313&postcount=94
 
Bill O'Reilly, the greatest Oceanographer of our time.

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I'm not a fan of any of the scientists and engineers who have tried to get their 15 minutes of fame through popularizing these fields. If they were really all that prominent they would be far too busy doing their own research or teaching at the graduate level, instead of writing popular books, appearing on talk shows, and making speeches for tens of thousands of dollars.

I think the best spokesmen are writers and educators who know enough about science to ask scientists and engineers the right questions. They must also be able to understand the answers sufficiently well to write about it without making too many mistakes, where it is then hopefully thoroughly reviewed before publication.
Gee, I wonder what everybody did before mediocre scientists in the US and the UK discovered they could make a fortune in the entertainment industry instead. Perhaps they paid attention during science classes and didn't find it as "boring" as others did.
Only I didn't make those two statements in conjunction with each other. Now did I?

Which if those already mentioned in this thread would that be? A comedian who worked at Boeing? An undergraduate professor at Cornell? The curator of a planetarium?
Okay, we get that you don't approve of scientists who have the incredibly bad manners to get in front of a TV camera and make interesting documentaries (with companion books for the people who enjoy reading) in an effort to get the public interested in science. You've made it very clear that you think these people are just opportunistic losers.

But do you mind if the rest of us sit back and discuss these people - which ones we admire (or not) and why? Thanks.


Since it's not multiple choice, I had to vote Carl Sagan. I was in high school when Cosmos was first shown on PBS, and I was absolutely mesmerized. I learned so much from that series, and credit Sagan's explanation of why astrology is nonsense with curing me of any attachment to such things. Nowadays I can appreciate art based on astrology, but I don't think for a moment that horoscopes have the slightest shred of validity, and it would be really nice if people would stop confusing astronomy with astrology. The first is science. The second is crap.

What modern audiences tend not to realize is that back in the late '70s/early '80s, a lot of this was either new or ongoing, and so much that we now take for granted about the planets in the Solar System just wasn't known then. Nobody knew for sure what Voyager was going to find out next, and it was mysterious, suspenseful... and really exciting. Carl Sagan was one of the best at explaining these things, and did it so well that people were eager to know more.

Yes, Sagan was on TV a lot. There's no reason whatsoever that he should have been ashamed of appearing on Johnny Carson's show, or hosting documentaries, participating in symposia on nuclear winter, giving talks, being on radio shows, or writing books. Carl Sagan was a scientist, but also a teacher. And you can do all the science in the world - and it won't be a fraction as useful if hardly anyone ever gets to know about it.

When my grandmother died, his Contact movie was in the theatres. I remember how lost I felt at that time, and remembering the "we are starstuff" themes of both Cosmos and Contact was comforting to me.

To those who have seen the Contact movie but haven't read the novel: Please read the novel. There are some parts of it that are profoundly different from what was in the movie, and it offers a lot for the reader to ponder.


If the poll had been multiple-choice, I would have also voted for David Attenborough. I loved both his documentary series I saw on PBS.
 
I vote Attenborough because he truly is a great communicator. He could narrate a documentary on humans pooping, and it would sound magical and intriguing.

I think Michio Kaku should probably be included on the poll.

Isn't this guy a bit of a Michael Crichton meets famous scientist meets TLC's "aliens" guy?

Hey, I could be wrong, but I remember his name being associated with "kooky" science before.
 
Isn't this guy a bit of a Michael Crichton meets famous scientist meets TLC's "aliens" guy?

Hey, I could be wrong, but I remember his name being associated with "kooky" science before.

There was that thread about him a few weeks ago and a few people here criticized him for inaccurately talking about things he isn't an expert on. And I agree that he can be a bit annoying, though overall I think he's kind of cool. I only suggested him because he's one of the most famous science popularizers.
 
There was that thread about him a few weeks ago and a few people here criticized him for inaccurately talking about things he isn't an expert on. And I agree that he can be a bit annoying, though overall I think he's kind of cool. I only suggested him because he's one of the most famous science popularizers.

My roommate from University was big into this guy, but all I remember from those days is how "far out" the stuff sounded.. the stuff my roommate got from some of those books that is.

So I guess ever since then I've filed him under "kooky science". I didn't realize he was that influential.
 
Do you have an obnoxious opinion on everything?
Do you have an aversion to discussing the topic, instead of those who merely disagree with your personal opinions? :rotfl:

Well...I guess I'd expect this out of the guy who said everyone who's ever been to the moon was an idiot.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11002313&postcount=94
And thanks for showing you apparently can't even read what I post without completely changing the meaning of it. Just because astronauts were test pilots and such instead of those with advanced scientific degrees hardly makes them "idiots". :goodjob:
 
I won't argue that he's the most influential, but my wife and I are huge fans of David Attenborough's work. I own both all of Planet Earth and Blue Planet, both of which have probably gotten me more interested in Zoology than anything since high school.

He's too old for as much advocacy work now, but John Glenn filled some of that role before, and he's a personal hero of mine.
 
Carl Sagan's voice is a treasure. I like Bill Nye, as much as I've heard of him; I didn't get to watch his show as a child so for me he's just a passionate guy on science/critical thinking podcasts. Tyson is a gifted science entertainer, though his podcast and videos are better than his book. Attenborough's work, of course commendable, is more nature-based than about the practice of science. On my experience, Sagan is far away the best; he had the advantage of working with space probes, he had the national wonder that was Cosmos, he penned well-crafted and engaging books, he was constantly being interviewed by the press and of course he had That Voice. Isaac Asimov probably did more than anyone on the list for layman's science education in the 20th century, but when it comes to getting The Masses interested, let alone excited about, science, I don't know that he could make the claim. TV excites the rabble more easily than books do. :p

There are other science educators, of course...Feynman and Dawkins, for instance. Dawkins is passionate about science advocacy, but his name is so involved with the New Atheism that it's largely consumed his science ecuation. He did good work before the new atheism, like the Christmas lectures which I enjoy (done in the 1990s, I think), but now if he's writing about science it's going to be perceived as being ammunition in his war against religion.
 
I won't argue that he's the most influential, but my wife and I are huge fans of David Attenborough's work. I own both all of Planet Earth and Blue Planet, both of which have probably gotten me more interested in Zoology than anything since high school.

He's too old for as much advocacy work now, but John Glenn filled some of that role before, and he's a personal hero of mine.

Check out Life and Frozen Planet!

Make sure not to get the versions narrated by Oprah - I've heard that such travesties exist.
 
Test pilots and fighter pilots in general are indeed unquestionably incompetent as scientific experts. Again, it hardly makes them "idiots", since that is obviously true with the vast majority of people. :crazyeye:

And congratulations for continuing to erect clearly absurd strawmen of my stated opinions by claiming that I would add even someone who had a BS in science to that list, much less a PhD. :goodjob:
 
I agree. It would have been better if NASA had sent Carl Sagan to the moon. But then again, he was just a scientifically incompetent greedy idiot. No better than the rest of the scientifically incompetent idiots over at NASA.
 
Why not an actual expert in geology, instead of someone who taught undergraduate students and enjoys watching himself on TV?

And when did I ever say that NASA consisted of "scientifically incompetent idiots"? :crazyeye:
 
When you call people with BS, MS, and/or doctorate degrees (some of which were granted by MIT, CalTech, Harvard, U Chi, etc.) in astronautical engineering and astrophysics "scientifically incompetent" and "mediocre," I'll take the liberty to extend the insult to "idiot." After all, you are calling the people who got us to the moon incompetent.

In conclusion I offer the opinion of someone who most certainly is an expert in whatever field he may study:


Link to video.
 
Who are you talking to? (right after my post, but seems more directed at Forma since he's the one arguing that the astronauts needed PhDs (even though some of them had PhDs (just not in geology)))
 
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