Broken_Erika
Play with me.
That's what happens when your choices are "Abysmal" and Apocalyptic"
Who'll win the 2020 rematch?
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It's Scylla and Charybdis, jeez... get it right.
Broken_Erika
Play with me.
And people decided that a whirlpool sounds like more fun.....
Drewcifer
Agent of Karma
The election will be cancelled...
Narz
keeping it real
People have been saying all the way back since the GWB days.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Well what changed? Do you think wikileaks suddenly became in league with conservatives or Russians?
No, Jesse was nutters. I don't think Dwayne Johnson is.Jesse - the Body - Ventura for president
Anytime mate.
danjuno
Cole Phelps, Badge 1247
The wikipedia article for 2020 listed Dwayne Johnson as a Republican, so I doubt he'd be center left though.
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
He would be a rock on defense. Jesse Ventura could be on his Cabinet.
Judging from past experience, assuming Trump calls a one-and-done, the two survivors of the last primary cycle will be in the thick of it. Someone may come out of the pack but he/she will deal with the same issue that plagued Cruz last year--no name recognition.
J
After what happened in this past election, I'm basing my prediction on whoever is favored on the chan of fours. They memed Trump into the White House. I believe some random YouTube comment stated it best when describing the chan of fours' influence on this election: "When you ****post so hard you change the course of history."
I know right? The political hysteria in the US after every single election is getting ridiculous. Apparently we all forgot how to be rational adults at some point in the past 20 years.
Still waiting on that mass-deportation of Mexicans Trump was supposed to be doing. Hasn't happened. Still waiting on that nuclear war that Trump was supposed to start. Hasn't happened. Still waiting on Roe v. Wade to be overturned. Hasn't happened. And guess what guys? None of that is going to happen.
Oh and conservatives, don't think you're off the hook either. What happened to those FEMA camps we were all supposed to be shipped off to? Oh, never happened. How about Sharia law being introduced into the US? Oh, never happened. How about that communist coup Obama was supposed to pull off with Chinese support? Oh, never happened.
In short, if you are one of those engaging in political hysteria, you need to go home, take a breath, have a juice box, and take a nap. You can start engaging in political discourse again once you have calmed down.
Still hasn't happened. Still won't happen either.
Just because someone promises they'll do something is no guarantee they'll actually do it, even if they really want to. Reality has a funny way of making liars and promise-breakers out of all of us from time to time.
I get your point and have agreed with you in the past on the hyperbole/hysteria issue... But there is a little bit of false equivalence here right? I mean Obama never promised to ship people off to FEMA camps or introduce the rule of Sharia law or stage a communist coup, with or without Chinese support... or take away everybody's guns, while we're at it
.... So the hysteria over that had no basis, and was pure hysteria/bias/histrionics etc.But Trump promised us mass-deportation of Mexicans. Trump promised the banning of Muslims entering the country. Trump promised to appoint Judges to overturn Roe v. Wade. Trump said Japan should get nuclear weapons and defend itself with nuclear weapons. So the hysteria over Trump is about his promises, while the hysteria over Obama was not. There is a difference, don't you agree?
I get your point and have agreed with you in the past on the hyperbole/hysteria issue... But there is a little bit of false equivalence here right? I mean Obama never promised to ship people off to FEMA camps or introduce the rule of Sharia law or stage a communist coup, with or without Chinese support... or take away everybody's guns, while we're at it
But Trump promised us mass-deportation of Mexicans. Trump promised the banning of Muslims entering the country. Trump promised to appoint Judges to overturn Roe v. Wade. Trump said Japan should get nuclear weapons and defend itself with nuclear weapons. So the hysteria over Trump is about his promises, while the hysteria over Obama was not. There is a difference, don't you agree?
Seems like splitting hairs to me. I mean, the only meaningful difference seems to be the degree of likelihood that these things would occur. Sure, Trump made the promises and may actually attempt to do these things, but that only makes them marginally more likely to occur than all the conspiracies about Obama since any serious attempt by Trump to fulfill any of those promises would get slapped down hard by political, social, and economic realities.
I don't know. I think Japan might actually be a pretty responsible nuclear power. Might allow them to gain the confidence to regain some of their independence as well. The main thing stopping them from pushing for less reliance on the US is the fear of Chinese invasion. Give Japan nukes and they might feel a lot better about their ability to defend themselves and start pushing for less reliance on the US for protection.
I can go along with you on the overall point that no matter which party wins... the other party acts like its the end of the world, and its not. I think that is your main point, right?
But as far as the splitting-hair thing goes... that's a tougher one to swallow... I mean you said that one of the main reasons if not the reason, that you could vote for Bernie but never Hillary is because you basically viewed Hillary as a gun-grabber... Now I can say (and did say IIRC at the time) that she can talk about it, but she can't really do anything to take your guns, so that's not really a valid reason to refuse to support her, but you weren't persuaded, because her threats to pass gun control legislation was your legitimate basis for assuming the worst was possible. So hopefully you can see how it strikes me as a little off, for you to claim that there isn't any differences between hysteria based on promises and hysteria based on zilch.
Another thing I want to get your take on, is the fact that Trump has actually followed through on his promise to appoint anti Roe v. Wade Justices... so technically, that wasn't even hysteria, even from an objective standpoint. He also took affirmative steps on the Muslim ban and is actively trying to build "the Wall" so again... the Trump hysteria seems to have a lot more basis in objective fact as opposed to just garden-variety partisan hysteria.
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By definition, a nuclear power is dangerous. Already, as has been pointed out, the only way to be viably hostile to the US is to have some sort of weapon of mass destruction these days. We really, really don't need to escalate things further.
If I recall, I also admitted later that my hysteria over that was a bit uncalled for.
Who said anything about hostility towards the US? I would just like to see Japan become less reliant on the US for protection. That does not require them to become hostile towards the US.
And I would say nuclear powers, overall, really aren't that dangerous. At least not when it comes to the specific issue of the use of nuclear weapons. They've only been used in anger twice, and that was back when the full extent of what such weapons were capable of still wasn't completely understood. Once the world saw what those weapons could do, it kinda became generally accepted that using such weapons isn't a good idea unless it is the absolute last resort. I'd say that's a pretty responsible stance to take regarding potentially civilization-ending weapons.
You did? OK I'll take your word for it... but what about the other part that Trump has actually tried to follow through on some and successfully followed through on some of the other hysteria inducing promises?
