Why can't we discuss matters relating to piracy?

[Ondskan]

Lol, you claimed that this thread derailed from YOUR question, who cares about YOUR question in the sense that it derailed? If anything I should say I'm sorry to the OP for derailing HIS thread if that is HIS opinion.

Also a mod will give you the answer I gave you, but sure, keep on sucking that lolipop.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

What do you mean by "advocacy," ainwood? I've seen people advocate piracy and the legalisation of marijuana on the boards many times. Do you mean encouraging people to break the law, rather than advocating changes to the law?

I asked ainwood a question. I'm waiting for him or another mod/ admin to answer it. Not you.

And I never claimed to be the OP.

Well, I'm not ainwood, but will I do for answering your question?

In this context, "advocacy" means encouraging the illegal activity or bad behavior. It does not mean to have the laws changed; it deals with what presently is the law.

Example: Discussing the issue of legalization of marijuana is one thing, and there are many sub-issues that can be brought into the discussion. However, advocating that people use marijuana if it's illegal to do so for that individual (we come from many different countries with differing laws even among the various regions of those countries) is not okay.

 

[Ondskan]

What? Aindwood just claimed advocacy was fine.
Sigh I've said this before but I'll say it again - to many rules for even you to keep up with.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

What? Aindwood just claimed advocacy was fine.
Sigh I've said this before but I'll say it again - to many rules for even you to keep up with.

Sigh. Is there some reason why you feel compelled to be so RUDE in every. single. post. you. make.?

Re-read ainwood's post:

There is a fine line: Discussion == OK, advocacy != OK. That goes for drugs, piracy or any other illegal activity.

He clearly states that discussion is OK. Advocacy is not OK.

 

[Agent327]

There is a fine line: Discussion == OK, advocacy != OK. That goes for drugs, piracy or any other illegal activity.

There have been lots of discussions about the pros and cons of dealing with piracy or whether it is "acceptable", but when its gets specific with people saying "I am going to pirate (this game)", then that is where we will draw the line.

Fine line indeed. But in reality it´s being drawn at the mere mention of a a pirate site. Which, frankly, is bordering on censorship (another fine line there).

Oh, and BTW, this thread so far isn´t about anything...

 

[Thoughtful Thug]

The way I draw the line is that what is this site for? The fans, the developer, or god forbid - the publisher?

I see that there has been a lot of misconception of what piracy means, and how different people say it in a different context that give us a variety of conclusions on how we can't come to the table to agree on how we understand it together.

So it is up to the moderators to filter out what they think in their best judgment on what contents serve the best for the site, and how to properly say a word like piracy in this forum.

So far they lean more to the publisher and not the fans I think.

 

[Lord Tirian]

Fine line indeed. But in reality it´s being drawn at the mere mention of a a pirate site. Which, frankly, is bordering on censorship (another fine line there).

Mind you, mentioning sites is actually going beyond advocacy - it's enabling people to break the law.

Cheers, LT.

 

[Thoughtful Thug]

He clearly states that discussion is OK. Advocacy is not OK.

Discussion == OK, advocacy != OK

Are you saying he made a typo?

that it ought to be this:

Discussion == OK, advocacy !=Not OK

or is there some kind of symbolism I am not aware of? == means positive and != means negative?

 

[Turner]

or is there some kind of symbolism I am not aware of? == means positive and != means negative?

This.

 

[Lord Tirian]

or is there some kind of symbolism I am not aware of? == means positive and != means negative?

It's a relational operators. "==" means "equal to" and "!=" means "not equal to"; not only used in programming, but also sometimes in maths (especially if you're just writing on a computer, hard to make the proper unequality sign).

Nifty shorthands and if you write about maths/physics a lot or if you're programmer, you tend to use them instinctively...

EDIT: Beaten to it...

Cheers, LT.

 

[Lord Baal]

Well, I'm not ainwood, but will I do for answering your question?

In this context, "advocacy" means encouraging the illegal activity or bad behavior. It does not mean to have the laws changed; it deals with what presently is the law.

Example: Discussing the issue of legalization of marijuana is one thing, and there are many sub-issues that can be brought into the discussion. However, advocating that people use marijuana if it's illegal to do so for that individual (we come from many different countries with differing laws even among the various regions of those countries) is not okay.

Thank you Valka. That's what I figured he meant, but I wanted a clarification. From someone OTHER than Ondskan. I don't know why you guys haven't banned him.

 

[Agent327]

Mind you, mentioning sites is actually going beyond advocacy - it's enabling people to break the law.

Cheers, LT.

1) My comment was directed at admins.

2) Mind you, you are incorrect. That info is available to anyone who can google. And AFAIK freedom of information doesn´t count - yet! - as breaking the law.) Sir.

Cheers,

JEELEN.

 

[Moss]

Just because something is not against the law, doesn't mean it can't be against forum rules.

Swearing for example, is not unlawful, it is still against the rules.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Fine line indeed. But in reality it´s being drawn at the mere mention of a a pirate site. Which, frankly, is bordering on censorship (another fine line there).

No, it is censorship. At CFC we censor lots of things. You do not have free speech here; if you want free speech go somewhere else. It is really pretty simple

 

[.Shane.]

I think the difference lies in that Civ allows for people to create mods, unless I'm missing your point?

But everything you can get from this site has been 'authorized' by the publisher. (We do remove anything they object to on legal grounds.)

Oh, right, I think I acknowledged this in my post. I was merely observing how very relative so much of this.

Copyright law has not kept pace with technology. If corporations actually made it illegal to spill ink on your books, then we would not allow discussions here concerning how to do so.

I would not agree with how you said this (bolded), and I think its illustrative of a larger issue.

Corporations don't get to determine what's illegal. (although they're actively trying to change this and we can argue that via their influence they already do)

But, they get to bully and threaten and harass on the premise that they have the law on their side. So, they create EULAs, DRM, etc... that may or may not be legal but that I have to de facto recognize in order to play a game, listen to music, whatever.

Ultimately, there's what's legal and there's what's right. They're not necessarily in sync. For the purposes of an internet community, the owner must be mindful of their legal obligations. In terms of ethical obligations, they chart their own course.

 

[Agent327]

No, it is censorship. At CFC we censor lots of things. You do not have free speech here; if you want free speech go somewhere else. It is really pretty simple

Yah, another errr "fine line" I see... But the question was why can´t one discuss piracy and, more to the point, why is the mere mention of a piracy sity worth an infraction?

Ugh. Let me explain in detail... If I mention a piracy site (simply by link) I´m worth an infraction. Yet simple googling (to keep things simple) will simply provide that same link. Now in neither action any breach of law is involved. So I´m simply a bit at a loss here... Quite simply.

 

[The_J]

But there's another step in between.
No one should come here and say "CFC links to porn torrent XY", that's it. If you want to search for something illegal yourself, then do it, but don't link it here, don't talk about it here.
What you do is your bussiness. What happens on CFC is our bussiness.

 

[Agent327]

But there's another step in between.
No one should come here and say "CFC links to porn torrent XY", that's it.

Thx, that´s it indeed.

 

[Padma]

Corporations don't get to determine what's illegal. (although they're actively trying to change this and we can argue that via their influence they already do)

But, they get to bully and threaten and harass on the premise that they have the law on their side. So, they create EULAs, DRM, etc... that may or may not be legal but that I have to de facto recognize in order to play a game, listen to music, whatever.

Yeah, I used a bit of verbal shorthand. When I said "if corporations actually made it illegal", I meant to imply that they would go through the "legal" process: buy/bribe appropriate legislators/judges to get the laws they want.

Ultimately, there's what's legal and there's what's right. They're not necessarily in sync. For the purposes of an internet community, the owner must be mindful of their legal obligations. In terms of ethical obligations, they chart their own course.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

 

[Ondskan]

I was banned so I never got to reply. But if corporations made it illegal to spill ink on our books (with the shorthand) I would do my best to mask my indentity on the net and turn this site into a pirate site(not about piracy but an illegal site that spoofs its IP)/move it to Bermuda or something to allow such discussion because if it goes that far it has gone so far on other points its already probably to late. edit: Not that any of this would be necessary since discussion itself would still be

I do not understand how as an USAF lieutenant you have so little courage in these legal matters as opposed to the courage you must have had when fighting a duel with the enemy or knowing that you one day could.


Sigh.

Sorry for the necro but I've been away a long time, replying to some old stuff.