Why do european countries compare themselves to the US as the EU?

[Xanikk999]

I dont think they should UNTIL all of these happen.

1. They are under one government wether its federal or not and the main governments of each individual country is dissolved. A confederacy is not one government. And the EU is not a Federation.

2. They have ONE economy.

3. They have common federal laws that do not differ from country to country.

4. They are taxed as one country.

Otherwise its not a fair comparison.

 

[Truronian]

Why does this matter?

 

[Xanikk999]

Why does this matter?

I just want to get a point across and discuss it thats all.

 

[Truronian]

Whats your point?

You could equally say its not fair to compare the United States to France because they do not have common law... there wouldn't any point though.

 

[Xanikk999]

Whats your point?

You could equally say its not fair to compare the United States to France because they do not have common law... there wouldn't any point though.

But they are different countries so it is fair!

My point is if the EU wants to compare itself as a whole against the U.S they should do the things above ELSEWISE they arent really one country or a federation so its pointless.

 

[Swedishguy]

I don't compare myself. I would so dearly hope that EU really becomes a nation, but people are just too patriotic and stupid for that to come true.

 

[Winner]

I dont think they should UNTIL all of these happen.

1. They are under one government wether its federal or not and the main governments of each individual country is dissolved. A confederacy is not one government. And the EU is not a Federation.

No. So what?

2. They have ONE economy.

Economy is pretty much integrated right now. There is majority voting about most of economic issues and the EU has trans-national authority over trade and tariffs.

3. They have common federal laws that do not differ from country to country.

Not relevant, laws differ from state to state in the US as well. Besides, human rights and fundamental freedoms are protected in every EU member state. There is also the European Arrest Warrant.

4. They are taxed as one country.

Not relevant so long as there is an common EU budget.

Otherwise its not a fair comparison.

The bottom line is that you just don't like any real competition, right?

You're right that this comparison isn't fair when talking about High Politics. Otherwise, EU is more coherent entity than it appears.

 

[Truronian]

But they are different countries so it is fair!

It doesn't matter if its fair or not, it matters if its relevent.

My point is if the EU wants to compare itself as a whole against the U.S they should do the things above ELSEWISE they arent really one country or a federation so its pointless.

And my point was if the US wants to compare itself as a whole to France it needs common law. .

Sometimes comparisons between the EU and the US are valid, you can't make up this rule that we aren't allowed to make comparisons until Europe's labelled 'country'.

 

[Xanikk999]

No. So what?



Economy is pretty much integrated right now. There is majority voting about most of economic issues and the EU has trans-national authority over trade and tariffs.



Not relevant, laws differ from state to state in the US as well. Besides, human rights and fundamental freedoms are protected in every EU member state. There is also the European Arrest Warrant.



Not relevant so long as there is an common EU budget.



The bottom line is that you just don't like any real competition, right?

You're right that this comparison isn't fair when talking about High Politics. Otherwise, EU is more coherent entity than it appears.

I dont mind competition but if they arent taxed as one country or as a federation they really arent one country.

Point being comparing multiple countries as ONE entity to one country is not a fair comparison.

 

[Xanikk999]

Ok fair enough truionian.

But you still cant compare economies.

The economy of one country to one country is fair only because they are contributing all of the money to one country.

The EU does not have a central economy asides from one unit of currency.

If they do not pool thier money together you cannot call it one economy can you?

 

[Winner]

I dont mind competition but if they arent taxed as one country or as a federation they really arent one country.

Point being comparing multiple countries as ONE entity to one country is not a fair comparison.

Why not?

Besides, Europeans usually use this comparison only when speaking about economy, which is, as I said, pretty much integrated. EU's internal market is well-comparable to the US one, simply because EU is the one who sets the rules.

Other comparisons are more problematic, that's right.

 

[Truronian]

Ok fair enough truionian.

But you still cant compare economies.

The economy of one country to one country is fair only because they are contributing all of the money to one country.

The EU does not have a central economy asides from one unit of currency.

If they do not pool thier money together you cannot call it one economy can you?

Thats an incorrect definition of economy. It once again all depends on the context of the comparison as to whether it is valid or not.

 

[woody60707]

I dont think they should UNTIL all of these happen.

1. They are under one government wether its federal or not and the main governments of each individual country is dissolved. A confederacy is not one government. And the EU is not a Federation.

2. They have ONE economy.

3. They have common federal laws that do not differ from country to country.

4. They are taxed as one country.

Otherwise its not a fair comparison.

umm ok, so is there something we should know?

 

[storealex]

I don't compare myself. I would so dearly hope that EU really becomes a nation, but people are just too patriotic and stupid for that to come true.

Yeah, and some of us don't want to be ruled by them, and are theirfore pro independence

 

[Winner]

And some people are simply nationalists.

 

[StarWorms]

I dont think they should UNTIL all of these happen.

1. They are under one government wether its federal or not and the main governments of each individual country is dissolved. A confederacy is not one government. And the EU is not a Federation.

2. They have ONE economy.

3. They have common federal laws that do not differ from country to country.

4. They are taxed as one country.

Otherwise its not a fair comparison.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't different states have different laws and taxes?

Even though many European countries have been at the forefront of civilisation development in the last 2000 years, alone they don't have a big economy. Countries like China and India are now "emerging" as new "superpowers". While I used to be against the EU, I'm now for it in some respects. The UK is a small country but nevertheless has been a very important country but in the future European countries like the UK will be squeezed out, which I assume is why the EU was formed.

 

[storealex]

And some people are simply nationalists.

Yes. And as I told you, we don't want to be ruled by them

 

[Rossiya]

I dont think they should UNTIL all of these happen.

1. They are under one government wether its federal or not and the main governments of each individual country is dissolved. A confederacy is not one government. And the EU is not a Federation.

2. They have ONE economy.

3. They have common federal laws that do not differ from country to country.

4. They are taxed as one country.

Otherwise its not a fair comparison.

Don't worry, you're American and feel threatened by the up-and-coming force.

 

[luiz]

Don't worry, you're American and feel threatened by the up-and-coming force.

China or India?

 

[Rossiya]

China or India?

No, guess.