Why is Marijuana Illegal?

[renohol]

I think what's more likely to happen is that you will see "bud bars" which are pretty much marijuana-only establishments. They have some set up in Vancouver BC.

I don't think your average watering hole is going to cater very heavily to cannabis smokers. That and marijuana isn't nearly as popular as tobacco.

"Bud Bars", sounds to good to be true

 

[BasketCase]

I don't think anyone of you have any worthwhile opinion on anything regarding drug use until I see you personally try five different drugs of my selection in my presence.

Not happening.

I've got the spine to say "no" to peer pressure.

 

[BasketCase]

Once again, your study hasn't proven that the THC and the THC itself caused them to have accidents.

You didn't answer the question. Guess it was too difficult. I'll answer it for you.

Does MJ cause car accidents, or do car accidents cause MJ? How is it possible for a car accident to cause you to turn into a ganja user? Oh, and by the way--if you're a ganja user, you WILL have THC in your system. Nice try at "fling the dictionary", but it was an airball.

A car accident cannot magically cause the victim to be marijuana user. Seeing as how said car accident victims were already MJ users when they had the car accident. Since time travel has not yet been invented (as far as we know ) the causality must be the other way around.

 

[BasketCase]

Other than that, I suppose it's really not any worse than alcohol or tobacco (I drink, but I don't smoke or chew), but since both of those are legal anyway, why legalize one more drug?

You know, that made more sense than most of the other posts in here. I'm surprised nobody ever thought of it that way before.

 

[CaptainF]

You know, that made more sense than most of the other posts in here. I'm surprised nobody ever thought of it that way before.

Because marijuana is far more than a simple "combination" of alcohol and tobacco.

Also because such statements tend to assume that legalization of marijuana will cause it to "flood" the streets.

I mean, you personally wouldn't be picking up a joint if it were legalized would you?

 

[BasketCase]

No, I would not.

I also don't drink. I am non-religious. I don't believe in either UFO's or psychic powers. I know professional wrestling is fake. I know Angelina Jolie's breasts are real. I never watch football. I never watch "Lost".

In short, I am not a normal American. So it's a really bad idea to use me as an example of what Americans will do.


Edit: Lemme clarify that, because a few people in here have been playing "fling the dictionary" and will get it wrong. I am a terrible example of what Americans will do. But I am the ideal example of what Americans should do.

 

[CaptainF]

You didn't answer the question. Guess it was too difficult. I'll answer it for you.

Does MJ cause car accidents, or do car accidents cause MJ? How is it possible for a car accident to cause you to turn into a ganja user? Oh, and by the way--if you're a ganja user, you WILL have THC in your system. Nice try at "fling the dictionary", but it was an airball.

A car accident cannot magically cause the victim to be marijuana user. Seeing as how said car accident victims were already MJ users when they had the car accident. Since time travel has not yet been invented (as far as we know ) the causality must be the other way around.

Such condescension! You aren't normally this didactic in person are you?

A car accident doesn't cause anyone to have THC in their system, yes. However, having THC in the system doesn't cause someone to crash a car. This study doesn't look at other factors involved in a crash. Like whether or not it was the other person's fault, not the MJ user. It also noted, as you hopefully know, that lots of those people who had THC in their system also had booze. Big surprise?

That and the fact that you don't really notice anything about the other studies I posted which are numerous in comparison to your one study, which conclude that having cannabinoids in your system alone doesn't raise your risk for a car crash.

 

[holy king]

Such condescension! You aren't normally this didactic in person are you?

A car accident doesn't cause anyone to have THC in their system, yes. However, having THC in the system doesn't cause someone to crash a car. This study doesn't look at other factors involved in a crash. Like whether or not it was the other person's fault, not the MJ user. It also noted, as you hopefully know, that lots of those people who had THC in their system also had booze. Big surprise?

That and the fact that you don't really notice anything about the other studies I posted which are numerous in comparison to your one study, which conclude that having cannabinoids in your system alone doesn't raise your risk for a car crash.

of course not, you have to actually be stoned to higher your risk of an accident...

 

[renohol]

Seriously, it seems ridiculous for it to not just be illegal, but categorized as a schedule 1 drug, above the likes of opium and morphine. How many people have OD'd on Mary Jane? Alcohol and Tobacco are much more dangerious and have killed thousands, including my father and my brothers father. No one I know has died from smoking it. It should be legalized, or at least de-criminalized, taxed, and taken out of the hands of criminals. Similar laws akin to no-drinking/driving laws should be made, the exact penalties for drinking/driving for Marijuana.

here's my best sober answer, well somewhat sober...

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

 

[Ecofarm]

Does MJ cause car accidents, or do car accidents cause MJ?

Ok, let's try this again. Say it with me:

Coorelation does not equal causation.

That doesn't mean that the causation must go one way or the other. It means causation (within the data) may not exist, at all.

Do you understand now?

 

[Lay_Lay]

I think it is pretty obvious that some posters here are very inexperienced in life, and that some of the more vocal have never even gotten high. Strange that they think they know so much about this topic. Oh, you studied it on the internet!
I don't need a medical study to tell me which drugs are the most harmful. If you don't know the difference between alcohol and ganja, then you must not have ever drank or smoked before.
ie. your a total knowitall nub

 

[nonconformist]

Ok, let's try this again. Say it with me:

Coorelation does not equal causation.

That doesn't mean that the causation must go one way or the other. It means causation (within the data) may not exist, at all.

Do you understand now?

Yes, but does crashing your car make you smoke pot?
Nope?
Off to the gallows with them!

 

[warpus]

No man, you don't want the cops (who usually show up after accidents) ruining your buzz.

And anyone driving a car while high is just asking for it. (unless it's under controlled conditions and overseen by professionals)

 

[Swedishguy]

I think it is pretty obvious that some posters here are very inexperienced in life, and that some of the more vocal have never even gotten high. Strange that they think they know so much about this topic. Oh, you studied it on the internet!
I don't need a medical study to tell me which drugs are the most harmful. If you don't know the difference between alcohol and ganja, then you must not have ever drank or smoked before.
ie. your a total knowitall nub

Maybe I haven't smoken marijuana because it's...

1. It's illegal
2. It's harmful
3. It's addicting
4. I don't know where to get it
5. It's illegal
6. It's still illegal
7. I know it's addicting and thus do not want to "try" it.

 

[Ecofarm]

1. It's barely illegal in Sweden. I know, they talk real tough about it but Christiania was 20 minutes away by train till they closed that and Amsterdam is a short plane flight away. I knew alot of people who smoked in Sweden regularly even when walking the street and nothing ever happened to them.

2. It's not so harmful if you filter with water. That removes 99% of the tar and leaves only the concern of THC itself. Which leads to....

3. It is not physically addictive, only psychologically. Unlike alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, and just about every other drug.

4. Try a kabob resturant. Once, I was with a friend and after getting my pizza (no cheese) the resturant employee asked if we wanted anything else. My friend said he ws trying to find some hash. The guy sold him some.

5. bla

6. bla

7. Good. You're probably better off without it. Although I would recommend it instead of being an alcoholic if you ever start sliding that way.

 

[Sharwood]

Nope, you've got it all wrong. You're playing "fling the dictionary". Dawgphood has been doing that too. Jumping on minor linguistic flubs. It's a very common debate foul.

"Marijuana should stay illegal. Yeah, if it is legalized, it will still be illegal for you to drive while stoned, but I'd prefer the stuff stays illegal."

Is that better? Got your brain wrapped around that?

Deliberately antagonistic statements don't impress me BC. That one sentence I've bolded is the most sensible thing you've said, as it's the first time you've simply stated your opinion, without spinning a bunch of meaningless and illogical bs along with it. But just because you don't want it legalised, is not a good enough reason for it not to be.

Why you posted your figures is unimportant. The figures were useless.

As have been the majority of your posts, but has that stopped you?

Old saying that just popped into my head: "if it sounds too good to be true, it is."

I categorically reject your worship of hemp as the Super Plant.

I see. What this tells me, and everyone else who's reading this, is that you simply cannot come up with an argument to defeat that, so you'll reject mine, because you know it is correct, and you cannot beat it. So, instead of debating me, you simply say; "You're wrong! You're lying! I'm right!" Then you proceed to move on to other things, hoping no-one noticed.

Some study somewhere says MJ users have a significantly higher chance of being in a car accident. Work it out.

I can find studies saying that the Holocaust didn't happen. You find multiple studies, or at least one very comprehensive and unbiased study, reaching the same conclusion, and actually showing that it was the marijuana that caused them to crash, not just that people had marijuana in their systems when they crashed, and I'll accept it. Until then, you're just talking sh*t you can't back up.

And I am supposed to disprove that.....how?? With photos????

I'm pretty sure that would violate every forum rule CFC has, and get me banned permanently. And also it would be totally GAY. You're just gonna have to take me at my word: I fly the flag for my lady friend every day--and she's quite the patriot.

Pretending to be friendly to disarm me doesn't work BC. I could care less if you or anybody else on this board likes me. Besides, you're assuming I'm not homosexual. How would you know?

I'll tell you what. Post something that actually refutes what I'm saying, and I'll respond to you. Until then, you are just wasting mine and everybody else's time with your illogical arguments, which I am done replying to. Charlton Heston could see I've defeated every argument you've put forth, and that sum. .. .. .. .. . is dead.

 

[holy king]

I can find studies saying that the Holocaust didn't happen. You find multiple studies, or at least one very comprehensive and unbiased study, reaching the same conclusion, and actually showing that it was the marijuana that caused them to crash, not just that people had marijuana in their systems when they crashed, and I'll accept it. Until then, you're just talking sh*t you can't back up.

man, have you ever driven a car when stoned?
drop this argument and BC has no argument left at all but "i dont like cannabis, because!"

 

[Sharwood]

man, have you ever driven a car when stoned?
drop this argument and BC has no argument left at all but "i dont like cannabis, because!"

Nope, I've never drunk, smoked pot, cigarettes or anything else, never used any form of illegal or even most legal drugs. I underwent surgery on my testicles without painkillers for Christ's sake. But that doesn't mean I can't point out flaws in his argument.

Smoking pot may increase the odds of crashing a car. I tend to think that it is quite likely. But he has merely stated that it does, while offering one example, which doesn't even specify that the marijuana involved contributed to the crash in any way. That's why I'm calling him on it. I've said in my posts, if he can provide me with actual evidence on that score, I'll accept it, but it will not change the fact that the rest of his argument is dead in the water.

 

[sourboy]

Seriously, it seems ridiculous for it to not just be illegal, but categorized as a schedule 1 drug, above the likes of opium and morphine. How many people have OD'd on Mary Jane? Alcohol and Tobacco are much more dangerious and have killed thousands, including my father and my brothers father. No one I know has died from smoking it. It should be legalized, or at least de-criminalized, taxed, and taken out of the hands of criminals. Similar laws akin to no-drinking/driving laws should be made, the exact penalties for drinking/driving for Marijuana.

omg, for the billionth time -- it is illegal due to lack of ability to control it. If you get pulled over in a vehicle after drinking large amounts of alcohol, there is a breath-based test device, yes? They can't do that with marijuana. There's no way to keep high mofo's off the rode. It's not safe. Medical purposes are usually allowed under supervision -- so this supports the theory.

 

[bhsup]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4

,Nuff said.