Why Islam is a problem for the integration of immigrants

[Farm Boy]

I am also not certain that arguing the 10th plague of Egypt didn't go far enough is a particularly good rebuttal of barbarism.

 

[NovaKart]

Recently there was an Iranian Kurd seeking asylum in the U.K. who was attacked by a group of young people. There was an outcry against racism but then the suspects (at least some of them) were arrested and they were black. That's not to say black people can't be racist but it just seems different from the usual idea of violent right wing attackers.

 

[Ryika]

Respectfully, how about you post a decent link the first time?

Well, that's easy to explain: I was sent the link to the SVT-article yesterday, that's the first, and before I made that post, only source that I had read.
In the past, people told me that linking non-English articles is useless, because apparently, people still don't know how to google-translate websites.
So I put a few keywords into google, looked for the first source that represents the information the way I had read them and went with it.

Having looked up the Daily Wire now, I do understand your reaction better, but I still don't find it particularly useful for the context of my post.
Doomed if you do, doomed if you don't I guess.

Ryika, actually, complaints about links are fair. Depending on the type of link someone provides, we can actually very easily make conclusions about the slant of the spin and the reading habits of the person providing them. So, the complaint is a very useful feedback for you. You know now to not use that source when trying to sway an opinion. The person complaining about the link is merely the person to step forward and tell you what others are going to implicitly do.

I mean yeah, in a general sense I agree with that. If you're using Breitbart while trying to prove a point, then sure, comments about the source are totally valid.

That wasn't what I was doing though, my post was about the disconnect between "No-Go Zones" as they're portrayed by the worst of the right-wing media, and "No-Go Zones" as they actually exist, crime-heavy immigrant zones that you probably don't want to go to. The article I linkes was not a "See, it's real!"-article, it was merely a piece of news that I had heard of recently.

And yet, a comment about a weak source I posted is all that a person has to say about that post? What? If a person wants to focus on the story, then at least he or she should add something useful, not just "I don't like that source." But yeeaaaah, okay, I admit I overreacted a bit.

When RomanKing dumped his list-o-links, I only scanned through and clicked links that I knew didn't come from a place of bias. All of his typing and copy/pasting was mostly useless, because an incredible number of people did the same thing.

I really don't know what this has to do with me. Carpet-bombing links is a terrible strategy in general.
Although, looking at the rest of his posts, maybe just posting tons of links is a better way to get people on his side than posting his actual thoughts.

Some news sources are worse than others. It's just better to know that other people think this, and work around it. You need to otherwise bank on your personal reputation in order to get people to read a low-reputation link.

See, I agree with this, but again... that story was not the focus of my post.

 

[Lexicus]

There was an outcry against racism but then the suspects (at least some of them) were arrested and they were black.

I am actually, honestly, interested in what the identity-reductionist left has to say about this.

 

[Traitorfish]

Last I check Hillary and her sycophants got stomped and Trump has a majority in both House and Senate.

The Democrats won the popular vote in both the presidential and Senate elections, 48.2% to 46.1% and 53.8% to 42.4%, respectively. The Republicans only won more votes in the House elections, and that only with a plurality of 49.1% against the Democrats' 48%.

You're confusing the quirks of an electoral system for the popular will.

 

[El_Machinae]

There's an also an incredible number of States where the traditional Right outpolls the Alt.Right

Saying "Trump won the majority" is obviously false. We just say that he doesn't have Republicans with the healthcare reform - never mind the centre.

 

[RomanKing]

You're confusing the quirks of an electoral system for the popular will.

I know victory when I see it.

And seizing the House, Senate, and Presidency was glorious, but the real crown jewel is the Supreme Court.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I know victory when I see it.

And seizing the House, Senate, and Presidency was glorious, but the real crown jewel is the Supreme Court.

No one questions that the Alt Right's best access to institutional fascism for the long haul is the supreme court.

 

[RomanKing]

No one questions that the Alt Right's best access to institutional fascism for the long haul is the supreme court.

Does this mean I should be saying "Heil to Victory?"

What liberals don't understand is you only get to play the Nazi card once and you guys blew that card during the primaries.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Which of the world's cultures did Nazis come from? Your "only light in a darkened world" West?

I'm trying to get a handle on this "West" you find so glorious that you want it to triumph over the world's other civilizations.

 

[El_Machinae]

Kinda. You can only play it when fascists escalate. And that requires the alt to escalate again. But centrists do lose lose the linguistic space to accuse 'less fascist' policies of being 'fascist' when the alt tries deescalating

 

[RomanKing]

Which of the world's cultures did Nazis come from? Your "only light in a darkened world" West?

I'm trying to get a handle on this "West" you find so glorious that you want it to triumph over the world's other civilizations.

I'm proud of my race, culture, and it's beautiful history of exploration and innovation.

If the West and it's innovations weren't so glorious I suppose the rest of the world wouldn't be emulating them now would they? Oh, but they are.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What liberals don't understand is you only get to play the Nazi card once and you guys blew that card during the primaries.

There is no "nazi card." There is naked espousing of fascism, which you have repeatedly displayed yourself. I'm not assuming you are a respected spokesman among the alt right because your delivery is too weak, but I certainly believe that your views are representative.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I'm proud of my race, culture, and it's beautiful history of exploration and innovation.

If the West and it's innovation wren't so glorious I suppose the rest of the world wouldn't be emulating them now would they? Oh, but they are.

Was Nazism "Western"?

Well, then on your second point, we swing back to my original question. If the whole rest of the world so admires the West that it is universally emulating it, what's the danger in having people originally from those inferior civilizations glorifying it from within its borders?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm proud of my race, culture, and it's beautiful history of exploration and innovation.

Try contributing rather than claiming glory secondhand based on coincidence of skin tone.

 

[RomanKing]

Was Nazism "Western"?

Yes, and the Mongol Invasion was Asian, and the Islamic Slave Trade was muslim. Your point?

Try contributing rather than claiming glory secondhand based on coincidence of skin tone.

I fail to see how my European lineage is a coincidence. It's pretty straight forward that I couldn't have been anything else. It's also self-evident that my ancestors were explorers who crossed the Atlantic to the New World and settle the new continents. A magnificent history.

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm proud of my race, culture, and it's beautiful history of exploration and innovation.

Sure. A lot of the innovations had liberal roots, mind. So, either you're proud of the history or you're selectively proud of a minor subset that coasted along with the whole.

Like I said, you must have liked the net result if you moved here

 

[Gori the Grey]

Yes, and the Mongol Invasion was Asian, and the Islamic Slave Trade was muslim. Your point?

My point would be that this world civilization in which you glory, and which you want to protect from barbarians, would seem to have no small measure of barbarism in it itself, no? And a more recent eruption of barbarism than the ones you find in Asia and the Muslim world.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I fail to see how my European lineage is a coincidence. It's pretty self-evident that my ancestors were explorers who crossed the Atlantic to the New World.

I understand there were secret police thugs that had to bail to Canada when fascism collapsed in Chile. Would that be considered "exploration" as well?

 

[RomanKing]

Sure. A lot of the innovations had liberal roots, mind. So, either you're proud of the history or you're selectively proud of a minor subset that coasted along with the whole.

Like I said, you must have liked the net result if you moved here

Past inventions were the result of modern American Liberalism? Sounds a lot like revisionist history to me.

I was also unaware that science and technology has a political orientation. Always thought the scientific method was unbiased.

And a more recent eruption of barbarism than the ones you find in Asia and the Muslim world.

Guess you'll be taking the family to Libya and Syria this summer huh? The Sudan maybe? No barbarism there.