Will technology accomplish what the GOP could not?

[DinoDoc]

I think the point he is trying to make is the people who cry for Obama's removal from the Oval Office are the same people who had absolutely no problem with the very similar policies and actions of the previous administration. Thus highlighting the inherent hypocrisy of Obama-haters and illustrating why they should be dismissed until they somehow reconcile their hypocrisy.

What does that have to do with this thread?

 

[Commodore]

What does that have to do with this thread?

Absolutely nothing. I was just attempting to clarify his message.

 

[Azale]

Is Rick Perry behind trying to overwhelm healthcare.org?


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/17/2798991/rick-perry-actually-encouraging-texas-enroll-obamacare/

This is truly fantastic news. I have a friend in Georgia who probably wishes his governor could have a similar "see the light" moment.

 

[FriendlyFire]

What does that have to do with this thread?

As far as screw up go, this seems only like a moderate one.

 

[Cutlass]

So its the Tea Party's fault that the Obama Admin has been incompetent in implementing its signature achievement?

No, it's the fault of people who think that government work should be outsourced to private contractors.

 

[DinoDoc]

I had no problem navigating healthcare.org today. Still waiting for the private exchange website for the Texas State Bar to even go live.

Interesting. This story appeared on Friday:

Link to video.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Clement Attlee used exactly zero (0) computers
and zero (0) websites in setting up the UK NHS.

And it worked.

And it still does, except when they try to let
the accountants and computers think for them.

 

[Flying Pig]

It worked with a markedly smaller country, a markedly smaller remit, far less centralisation, far less efficiency and far more foul-ups. This is, by and large, the case with every organisation which was 'run differently in the old days'. Imagine how the NHS would survive today if your patient record was a physical document housed in a single building, for example.

 

[EnglishEdward]

It worked with a markedly smaller country, a markedly smaller remit, far less centralisation, far less efficiency and far more foul-ups.

I am not sure whether you are comparing the NHS when it was set up against
what it is today or comparing the UK experience against the US experience.

This is, by and large, the case with every organisation which was 'run differently in the old days'.

Remember the state of computers in 1969 and the NASA Luna landing!
Remember the state of computers in 2013 and the NASA Mars landing?

UK invented nuclear electric power generation in the 1950s but now
our prime minister is begging the Chinese to help him out.

Fact is some things were down better in the old days.

Imagine how the NHS would survive today if your patient record was a physical document housed in a single building, for example.

I have imagined that, and the answer is probably more efficiently than today.

 

[Silurian]

Remember the state of computers in 2013 and the NASA Mars landing?

Did I miss this when I was in the pub. I cant beleive it.

UK invented nuclear electric power generation in the 1950s but now
our prime minister is begging the Chinese to help him out.

Calder Hall was a military factory producing plutonium when it opened.

 

[peter grimes]

One of the key differences between this Obamacare Exchange rollout and other apparently similar examples is that it had to go live nationwide available to everyone all at once. If they had done a phased roll-out, like a closed beta followed by open beta followed by official release this wouldn't have happened. But that's not feasible for a public service with a congressionally set deadline.

 

[sophie]

One of the key differences between this Obamacare Exchange rollout and other apparently similar examples is that it had to go live nationwide available to everyone all at once. If they had done a phased roll-out, like a closed beta followed by open beta followed by official release this wouldn't have happened. But that's not feasible for a public service with a congressionally set deadline.

I don't think the numbers in terms of raw hits between the ACA rollout and something like the SimCity servers is at all comparable either.

 

[peter grimes]

I'm not inclined towards conspiracy theories, but I really do wonder if a James O'Keefe might have put a little effort into attacking the site during the first few weeks.

Or were the server issues nothing more than the natural result of the structure of the form requests? Totally possible, and I really know nothign about this.

 

[DinoDoc]

I'm not inclined towards conspiracy theories, but I really do wonder if a James O'Keefe might have put a little effort into attacking the site during the first few weeks.

Or were the server issues nothing more than the natural result of the structure of the form requests? Totally possible, and I really know nothing about this.

Why would anyone need to do that themselves when the site helpfully does that for them on its own:

He said because so much traffic was going back and forth between the users' computers and the server hosting the government website, it was as if the system was attacking itself.

Hancock described the situation as similar to what happens when hackers conduct a distributed denial of service, or DDOS, attack on a website: they get large numbers of computers to simultaneously request information from the server that runs a website, overwhelming it and causing it to crash or otherwise stumble. "The site basically DDOS'd itself," he said.

Analysis: IT experts question architecture of Obamacare website

 

[DinoDoc]

Oh my.

OMB director: Er, no, I can’t guarantee that HealthCare.gov will be running smoothly by mid-December

There doesn’t seem to be any end in sight to the Six Month Enrollment Period That Wasn’t, as the bottlenecked rate at which registrations to and applications through HealthCare.Gov turn into successfully insured enrollees continues to move at a crawl. The revelation of the March 31st-but-actually-February-14th cutoff date paired with the moving target that still is the “the online signup will be super easy and painless!” start date is every day shrinking the window in which people can either obtain health insurance or get stuck with the individual-mandate penalty, and as Speaker Boehner put it the other day, “how can we tax people for not buying a product from a website that doesn’t work?” If they can’t iron this thing out soon, even the political fiasco that would result from once again delaying the law might be more attractive than the from-all-sides criticisms with which their failure of a rollout will be rightfully saddled — and it certainly doesn’t sound like they’re sure they’ll have it under control any time soon, does it?


Link to video.

AL HUNT: But if people can’t sign up, they can’t get affordable care, and can you guarantee the public that by December 15, say, which is a little over 2 weeks before they can really join, that these problems will be largely rectified?

SYLVIA BURWELL: I think that the administration is working deeply on the problems that exist and I think it’s also important to recognize that there are other places and ways, in terms of whether those are the phone numbers, the navigators, and other tools and choices that people have to do that. I think also, from an OMB perspective, it’s also important to also recognize, in addition to the issue of health care for in the uninsured, the issue of people who have children up to 26 being covered, the issue of preexisting conditions, all of those are being worked on in a very successful way in terms of the substance and reducing costs.

HUNT: Cautiously optimistic you’ll have it rectified by December 15th?

BURWELL: I am optimistic that we’ll continue to make progress on the issue.

Yes, but “making progress” and having it fixed by a foreseeable date aren’t exactly the same thing, are they? The Obama administration doesn’t usually have a problem glossing over facts, issuing blithe assurances and dismissals, and making promises they can’t keep, so the unwillingness to even nonchalantly commit to a date almost two months from now bodes rather ill. I mean, they aggressively insisted that everything was peachy-keen and ready to go for October 1st, and that didn’t work out too well for them, did it?

 

[JollyRoger]

Don't panic, Dino, I'm sure you will be able to sign up on time.

 

[DinoDoc]

Don't panic, Dino, I'm sure you will be able to sign up on time.

[F]ailure of this magnitude would discredit a core premise of [Obama's] presidency, that government can do big things to improve Americans' lives.

 

[Murky]

Wouldn't universal health care be easier to accomplish technology wise? Then you wouldn't have to interface with all the private insurance vendors. You would just have something like the medicare/medicaid program for everyone. Of course, that would be many times more politically difficult to accomplish now that the GOP controls the House of Reps.

 

[JollyRoger]

[F]ailure of this magnitude would discredit a core premise of [Obama's] presidency, that government can do big things to improve Americans' lives.

Are you going to choke on your popcorn if it becomes "Success of this magnitude . . ." and the implied conclusion?

 

[DinoDoc]

Signs don't seem to be pointing in that direction, JR.