Windows 8

It really depends on what you're buying it for. I think, for most people, a Windows 8 laptop will probably be better. There's only a few rational reasons to buy a Mac instead of a Windows laptop:

- You run software that only runs on a Mac, or you want to run that software. If so, you probably already know this.
- You've used both Windows and Macs, and find the OSX interface vastly more suited to your style. Again, you probably already know this if it applies to you.
- You really like the retina display and can afford it. If you aren't sure, you should probably head to some stores and do some comparisons.
- You're really bad at security and get lots of viruses, and would be helped by the fact that fewer people use Macs, so fewer viruses target it. This is becoming less of a reason to buy a Mac as more people buy them.
- You want it because it's a status symbol that is considered "cool". I think this is why most Macs are bought today.

Otherwise, you can probably find a PC that matches your needs better. Good reasons for doing so include:

- You have lots of existing PC software, and don't want to spend $$$ to buy Mac versions. (This is somewhat "lock-in", but it applies equally if you buy Mac software)
- There's more variety amongst PCs, so if you want the best battery life/durability/whatever, chances are it's a PC that offers it.
- You don't want to spend as much on the hardware. Macs generally cost more than comparable PCs, and that goes into Apple's gigantic coffers. There's a reason Apple has billions on the bank, and it's the markup on their products.
- There's generally more PC software, and it's generally available sooner and sometimes at lower prices than Mac software

I don't think Windows 8 will significantly affect whether you should buy a PC or a Mac. All of the main reasons to buy either one are pretty much the same as when Windows 7 was the latest version.

Not if you're looking at comparable products.

The 15" retina has no competitors, the MBA is priced competitively with Ultrabooks.

Sure, there aren't any $400 Macbooks, but $400 PCs are all garbage.

I disagree. In general, Macs are still noticeably more expensive to a similar non-Mac product.

By definition, a product which has traits that no other product has is competitive with everything else on the market - if that's what you're buying it for, that's the only choice, regardless of price.

There also aren't any $600-$900 Macs, and there are plenty of good PC choices in that price range. And some of those are pretty comparable alternatives. Just because you aren't going to spend a thousand doesn't mean you'll only spend $400.

Similarly, if Apple's retina display isn't that big of a deal for you, you can almost certainly find a better deal with a PC at a slightly lower price point than the competing Mac - without having to expect it will fall apart.

The MacBookAir is about the only Mac that is priced competitively with the non-Mac competition, but Ultrabooks aren't exactly a large market segment, and are somewhat upscale/premium (albeit not performance) amongst PCs, too.
 
You seem to be discounting soft factors (I'm not going to repeat them).
MacBookAir competitors are.
MacBook Pro competitors at $600 aren't.

Even in the Ultrabooks, some things (often input devices) spoil the feeling of a high-quality package.
If you're looking for a reasonable workhorse at a reasonable price, fine. But it's short-sighted or disingenuous to discount quality aspects not visible in a spec list.
 
Re Start Menu: I very rarely use the start menu in Windows 7, so I doubt I would miss it. I use it for programmes that aren't pinned to the task bar, which are vanishingly few. I only use like 8 or 9 different programmes with any regularity, so why would I need to wade into my start menu to find something I want? And I much prefer the "press key" -> "type programme name" paradigm than the "mouse to start" -> "scroll to company's name" -> "scroll to application name" paradigm, even if I couldn't pin programmes to the task bar.

I couldn't care less about people who don't know the first few letters of the programme they want to open.
 
And I much prefer the "press key" -> "type programme name" paradigm than the "mouse to start" -> "scroll to company's name" -> "scroll to application name" paradigm, even if I couldn't pin programmes to the task bar.

That was available long before the latest Microsoft abortion of an os. Funny thing was... the vast majority of people people didn't use it.
 
And even if these mystical people who memorise the name of the company that makes the software they're looking for, but can't remember the first few letters of the software itself, do exist, I couldn't care less about those people. It works better for me, I like it, so why should I care if other people don't?
 
This is demonstrably false, MS has telemetry data showing that most programs are opened from typing in the start menu or clicking things pinned to the taskbar.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/enterprise/375550/why-microsoft-killed-the-windows-start-button

What's this "telemetry data" you mention and how did Microsoft obtain it?

However it may be "collecting" that data the piece you linked to talks about Windows 7. I had mentioned that the ability to run a program by pressing a key (two keys, actually, but they're near) and writing the program's name was as old as Windows 95...
 
You seem to be discounting soft factors (I'm not going to repeat them).
MacBookAir competitors are.
MacBook Pro competitors at $600 aren't.

Even in the Ultrabooks, some things (often input devices) spoil the feeling of a high-quality package.
If you're looking for a reasonable workhorse at a reasonable price, fine. But it's short-sighted or disingenuous to discount quality aspects not visible in a spec list.

If you have the budget for it, you're right. "Soft" factors do make a difference. But when you're comparing higher-end laptops, have similar specs, and the soft factors are making the difference... it isn't so much "Mac vs PC" that you're comparing, if you're agnostic to the OS. It's what Apple, Sony, HP, Dell, or whoever else it is puts into the design and the laptop. Because they focus on a more niche market, Apple is better-known for focusing on this. But there are/have been some really appealing "soft factor" laptops from other manufacturers, too.

Particular examples of laptops that I'd consider very good in "soft" factors include the Vaio Z series and the original Dell Adamo laptops. If I were to spend a lot of money on a "soft factor" laptop today, it'd probably be the Z.
 
I think "windows 7 versus windows 8" is much more interesting than "windows 8 versus macs".

edit: let's face it, most of the people that are looking at Windows 8 right now are Windows 7 users, not Mac users. Who cares what Mac users think of Windows 8? They probably aren't even going to consider getting it anyway.
 
Win8 is so poor for non-tablets that I've resolved to stop calling Vista the devils work.
When setting up my wife's new laptop I made a typo when setting up the account name. I was able to find user settings management in the charm menu or whatever they call the damn thing, only to find out you can't change account names there. I then opened desktop mode to go to the control panel (no easy link in pc settings, WTH) only to realise no Start menu = no easy control panel access. I eventually managed to sort it out with Win+R (a key combination not everyone's aware of) and then guess at what command might open control panel, fortunately I got it right first time.
Thanks to Classic Shell I've now set it up to skip the godawful metro screen and reinstate the start menu but I can't (yet) do anything about the active corners which seem to activate seemingly at random (I've turned off the swipe in behaviour but it does it anyway) and send me into a metro app I don't want to use.
A third party app should not be required to make an OS usable. MS should stop trying to imitate the crap Apple put out (I've noticed their current ads are strikingly similar to the ones Apple used to do for the ipod). Metro is not suitable for a k&m interface and should not be the default UI - ideally they should separate the tablet OS from Windows altogether.
/rant
 
Win8 is so poor for non-tablets that I've resolved to stop calling Vista the devils work.
When setting up my wife's new laptop I made a typo when setting up the account name. I was able to find user settings management in the charm menu or whatever they call the damn thing, only to find out you can't change account names there. I then opened desktop mode to go to the control panel (no easy link in pc settings, WTH) only to realise no Start menu = no easy control panel access. I eventually managed to sort it out with Win+R (a key combination not everyone's aware of) and then guess at what command might open control panel, fortunately I got it right first time.
Thanks to Classic Shell I've now set it up to skip the godawful metro screen and reinstate the start menu but I can't (yet) do anything about the active corners which seem to activate seemingly at random (I've turned off the swipe in behaviour but it does it anyway) and send me into a metro app I don't want to use.
A third party app should not be required to make an OS usable. MS should stop trying to imitate the crap Apple put out (I've noticed their current ads are strikingly similar to the ones Apple used to do for the ipod). Metro is not suitable for a k&m interface and should not be the default UI - ideally they should separate the tablet OS from Windows altogether.
/rant

I dunno why you feel the need to use any of the Metro screens on a non-tablet, even without any third-party programs.

I don't really understand what you mean by it being the default UI either - just change the default programs for opening pictures and stuff to the desktop versions and you'll never see Metro.

All those things you listed are pretty easy to do:
To open user accounts push windows + W, then type "user accounts". ("user a" is probably enough)
To open the control panel push windows + W then type "control panel". ("contr" is probably enough)

These are the fastest ways to access these features, and are only possible with a k&m interface.
 
Not the case, unless you use a third party application or some task scheduler wizadry you will always get metro on power up.
And as others have pointed out, typing program names rather defeats the point of a GUI, there's been no need to do that since 1995. For Win7 opening control panel took two clicks, that's considerably quicker than your method in Win8 regardless of typing speed.
 
The start screen is really only nominally metro, it's an overlay that doesn't behave like the rest of the metro apps. Having it open on boot isn't really different from having the start menu open by default in Win7. Just put the desktop tile in the top left corner of the start screen, and you can navigate to the desktop just by hitting enter.

I'm positive that I can type winkey+w+contr faster than you can make two precise clicks to open the control panel. Especially in Windows 7, since there aren't any corner traps, so if you're running multiple monitors you can't just throw the mouse in the corner to click the start button, you have to carefully click a button which is in the middle of the desktop.

You can also pin the control panel to the start screen if you like.
 
I think "windows 7 versus windows 8" is much more interesting than "windows 8 versus macs".

edit: let's face it, most of the people that are looking at Windows 8 right now are Windows 7 users, not Mac users. Who cares what Mac users think of Windows 8? They probably aren't even going to consider getting it anyway.

I don't think switching from 7 to 8 is that attractive, is it? Windows 7 seems to still be working fine and I think 8 is more interesting for people buying new PCs (unless you care *a lot* about the OS you use to open your browser in :)).
 
I don't think switching from 7 to 8 is that attractive, is it? Windows 7 seems to still be working fine and I think 8 is more interesting for people buying new PCs (unless you care *a lot* about the OS you use to open your browser in :)).

The same thing could be said for mac users. If someone already has a mac, do you think they're going to throw it away so they can buy a new PC with Windows 8?

Personally I would agree with Zelig that Win 8 is pretty good. Most of the people that will *eventually* get windows 8 will be windows 7 users, not Mac users.
 
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