"Wokeist" - When people talk about progressivism without acquaintance
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To clarify what I meant, "bread and circus" is shorthand for stuff provided by the state for free at point of delivery. I think the implications are the same here as when the phrase was coined:
Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.
Yes
AOC is a big supporter of unionisation and worker coops, both ways of improving workers lot within the system
Debateable if shes a social reformer or a socialist reformer, but revolutionary she aint
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Narz
keeping it real
Kinda funny, 'progressive' groups immobilized because they're afraid to use 'language of the right' to critique nonsense within their organizations.
Whether its external infiltration from the right or these groups are really that incompetent and self-obsessed either way it's pretty embarrassing.
It's a perfect way to sew disorder and inability to function, maybe people feel they must all be perfect and internally 'comfortable' w each other @ all times to get anything done.
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Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
The instruction to the toddler to put the veggies in a pot rather than the latrine is presumably one part of a broader lesson in how to prepare veggies, rather than an exercise of arbitrary authority. If the toddler did not come to adulthood understanding why the veggies go in the pot rather than the latrine, then the community has salvaged some vegetables at the cost of a functioning member; not a great trade, you'll agree.
The video looks like Kyle Kulinsky of the Justice Democrats ya.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Democrats
At the end talking about CIA simple sabotage techniques, one does have to wonder.
Hopefully CFC off-topic does not fall the same way.
We thankfully don't have committees.
bernie14
Filter Manipulator
Well then, is there some point for some people when "the broader lesson" is no longer understood in which they could be functional? The world is filled with Boxers.
Senethro
Overlord
You say this, but I notice that you don't discuss your pet subjects with each other. And I wonder if theres something in that.
Because it looks a little like how the US 90s-10s religious right, low tax lobby, gun lobby etc were able to disagree with each other and yet never threatened each other.
What is this relationship? Reciprocal blindspots? Single issue cooperation? Just good discipline and cohesion?
Narz
keeping it real
Prioritizing the end goal?
Lexicus
Deity
This is quite an insight into the conservative mind. "People are like children who need a parent to tell them what to do 'because I say so'. Also I believe in freedom and I hate the Democrats for wanting to take care of people with a nanny state"
Berzerker
Deity
I discuss my pet subjects with anyone, mythology, religion, science, free speech, Russiagate, wars and foreign policy, corporate control of the country, the drug war etc. Ideological camps across the spectrum are more tolerant of 'like-minded' people but within each are 'purists' who see disagreement as betrayal.
If you've detected a greater tolerance on the right look at the issues you've cited, people wont get riled up about tax policy and even gun owners are open to more control on access. Partly depends on who is in power, when the GOP is they dont take kindly to "unamerican" speech but when the Dems get elected they embrace censorship.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Lmao people on the right literally want free reign to make lgbtq people and non white people's lives miserable, by any means necessary
Berzerker
Deity
misery loves company
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
+1 to this
if someone uses parentage to teach kids arbitrary authority, they're generally failing imo. kids like that are not going to grow up healthy. kids should be taught authority in some form, but only because that there are people smarter than the kids in some respects, and it should understand that
authority has its purpose, but its purpose solely relies on coming from somewhere with utility. a doctor has authority over what should be done in regards to health, and the authority is well placed there, and should be respected. but this respect should only come from the doctor being a doctor has a point in regards to usefulness
bernie14
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Not at all. However, both you and @Traitorfish seem to be ascribing some negative connotation to taking direction (aka learning) and TF seems to be making some bold claims regarding human nature and psychology.
Lexicus
Deity
I mean, not really at all, but I too am capable of stripping something someone else said out of context and pretending it has a totally different meaning. Quick question for you: were the overseers just teaching the slaves how to pick cotton properly? (see, literally anyone can do that trick!)
bernie14
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Did they teach (coerce/instuct/indoctrinate... insert your preferred subjective narrative) to pick cotton improperly?
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Pure conceit on your part
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