Women Conscripts

[NovaKart]

I think the only people on welfare are families so that kind of bites the idea in the behind. I don't think you could draft a mom with 2 kids and no other provider.

Maybe you could make them do some public service but you would have to create jobs for those people and they likely wouldn't do a good job at it. Besides they would have to find someone to watch their kids while they do it.

 

[JRD]

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[Hygro]

I am obviously an old fashioned female, but the thought of drafting in women is horrendous. If we were in a war, then I suppose we would need to draft in numbers of men, although I am against that. But a womens place is not to go off fighting wars. There's families to care for, mens jobs at home to take over. Women are by no means weak, but they are not strong enough to be sent out to be useful fighters. Womens lib was necessary, but if it keeps going, we'll have no woman left. The quality of being female and the power from that alone will be lost.

American women have been fighting in combat for most of this decade and it's worked fine. I think dividing up society during heavy wartime by gender might not be a bad thing, but it's not because women aren't capable warriors, it's because society may benefit from keeping half of it out of combat.

 

[JollyRoger]

Besides, since the gays can't openly serve, they can stay home and take care of the children.

 

[NovaKart]

Yeah we'll open up a bunch of gay wartime daycare centers.

 

[JollyRoger]

Why daycare centers? If you can conscript someone, then you should also be able to terminate their parental rights. It's for the good of the country.

 

[deanej]

lol no. We'd never invade Iran. Obama is a muslim. Haven't you heard? Seriously no president in their right mind would invade Iran. We learned the hard way nation building doesn't work, and I seriously doubt we'll attack any nation offensively for at least 20 years (when politicians start forgetting lessons of the past).

http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/c...lirting-with-the-Berserk-Line/Kirk-Spock-Iran

By the way, Obama isn't a Muslim. You might want to get your facts from a source other than Fox News for a change.

 

[say1988]

But a womens place is not to go off fighting wars.

Yep, she should be in the kitchen making me a sammich.
Though there are kitchens in wars...

There's families to care for

And single Fathers or couples where Fathers are teh primary parent?

mens jobs at home to take over

a) I thought we were supposed to have done away witht eh notion of "men's jobs"
b) If we draft women then there will be more men left to do those jobs, which will mean less training required to get the new workers as productive as the old ones.

Women are by no means weak, but they are not strong enough to be sent out to be useful fighters.

It takes a lot of strength to pull a trigger or push a control stick or look at a computer screen and type, how could women do those things. Even if "women are weak" was a valid argument, there are so many jobs, both in and out of combat, that are not affected by strength it doesn't matter.

Womens lib was necessary, but if it keeps going, we'll have no woman left. The quality of being female and the power from that alone will be lost.

This is the exact same thing people have said for centuries. They used this argument against Women's Suffrage, against allowing them to work in many occupations, against allowing them to serve in the military, against equality laws, against every advancement of women's rights.

 

[deanej]

The problem is women who can't stand when men have any advantage over women but don't want to give up their advantages over men. Equality is a two-way street. BOTH sides have to give stuff up. Men have already given up exclusive positions in jobs and pay advantages (the remaining inequalities here are due to the choices most women make, such as not negotiating for higher wages like most men do, seeking a work-life balance, and not being interested in engineering/science jobs). It's time for women to give up immunity from selective service and the draft.

 

[Hehehe]

Seems a lot of people here think that the draft is a men vs women thing. Personally I don't see a reason to force women to serve just for the sake of equality.

 

[deanej]

If men are forced to serve, but not women, how can you not consider that unequal and sexist?

 

[Newbunkle]

Why daycare centers? If you can conscript someone, then you should also be able to terminate their parental rights. It's for the good of the country.

Plus children make very good conscripts.

 

[Tani Coyote]

TacFox, are you sure you're not an English 18th century politician or something, trrawling Ireland, scotland and the North for "undersirables" you can send to be killed in fuzzy-Wuzzy land?

It goes beyond military service. Just public service.

There's plenty of recyclable goods in dumps.

Plenty of garbage on those streets.

Plenty of juries that need filling that other citizens probably would be happier not to deal with.

Plenty of other holes that could be worked on I'm sure.

Of course, we have a legal framework to deal with. Forced labor is forbidden unless as a punishment for a crime. Calling being on welfare a crime wouldn't fly obviously since it's not.

We'd have to amend the Constitution most likely to say that those on government assistance should be the first in line to assist the government. Requiring labor on the part of each citizen isn't that new after all; it goes back as early as the Incas from my memory.

And theres the problim in that the unemployed may be the people most unsuited to the military.

The seriously disabled or those addicted, you mean?

For the former, well, they're exempt for moral and practical reasons. For the latter, they should be cleaned up and such before being sent into service.

If I recall, though, there are many homeless who are military veterans. Rather sad, actually.

I think the only people on welfare are families so that kind of bites the idea in the behind.

Muhahaha, oh no. It merely means we move onto other priorities if the people in the lowest priority don't provide enough manpower.

Meaning, we just move on to taking the providers first. And based on how much they provide(working hours).

Maybe you could make them do some public service but you would have to create jobs for those people and they likely wouldn't do a good job at it.

Strict discipline would be necessary. Your country is doing things for you, so you must do things for your country. It is your choice whether to severe the umbilical cord while in the womb. Just know chances are you won't make it through.

Also encouraging a hard work ethic via the schools could assist.

Besides they would have to find someone to watch their kids while they do it.

Finding a way to stimulate day care might actually be able to pay some dividends...

At the very least, no more danged babies screaming when I go to the theater.

 

[Disgustipated]

http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/c...lirting-with-the-Berserk-Line/Kirk-Spock-Iran

By the way, Obama isn't a Muslim. You might want to get your facts from a source other than Fox News for a change.

I was joking. That should have been clear from my post.

 

[Disgustipated]

American women have been fighting in combat for most of this decade and it's worked fine. I think dividing up society during heavy wartime by gender might not be a bad thing, but it's not because women aren't capable warriors, it's because society may benefit from keeping half of it out of combat.

umm, no they haven't been fighting in combat. They still aren't allowed to be on the front line. Yes I do realize there is no such thing as a front line these days. But it is my understanding they aren't in direct combat roles.

 

[say1988]

They have been serving on ships in combat areas and flying combat aircraft for most of this decade. I believe there are still restrictions on infantry service and perhaps with other ground forces, but I doubt they will last long, along with the submarine service restrictions.

 

[Disgustipated]

the sub restrictions should stay. Have any of you guys been on a sub? But I suppose if none of those women are bothered by looking at a guy's junk and sleeping in the same rack as a guy, then it's okay. Yes on attack submarines enlisted do have to hot rack.

They are on ships of course, but I hardly call that combat. No one has any capability of destroying our ships (although terrorists attacks like the Cole bombing are devastating)

 

[say1988]

Then you still have women flying combat aircraft, and helicopters are definitely vulnerable to attack.

 

[Disgustipated]

Yes they are. I'm okay with that if they know the risks (being captured and held prisoner-possibly by a nation that doesn't respect geneva conventions)

 

[GhostWriter16]

Of course, we have a legal framework to deal with. Forced labor is forbidden unless as a punishment for a crime. Calling being on welfare a crime wouldn't fly obviously since it's not.

Isn't that a bit hypocritical? I know what the laws say but isn't that kind of forced labor forcing somebody to work so somebody else can benefit?