would jesus have joined the army?

[Ailedhoo]

Heh, I think its amazing that you think so. Well maybe its not so surprising since you struggle heavily with that perception vs reality thing.

Which reality? Real reality or the fake reality the Tea Party in America clings to?

 

[MobBoss]

Which reality? Real reality or the fake reality the Tea Party in America clings to?

Tea party? Huh?

I'm speaking of the fake reality where everything Christian here is part of the conspiracy.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Tea party? Huh?

I'm speaking of the fake reality where everything Christian here is part of the conspiracy.

Forgive me about accusing thy... the likes of MisterCooper and the Tyrant have granted the conseratives a bad name. Forgive me... its rubs off in difficult fashion. I am sorry.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I'm speaking of the fake reality where everything Christian here is part of the conspiracy.

The vast majority of Christians hardly agree with you and many of the other evangelists on many issues. The "conspiracy" part is claiming they do, or that many people in these threads really have any issues with most Christians at all.

It is your perception of reality is what is far different than most people, even most Christians. This is particularly true outside of the US where evangelical Christians make up far less than 28% of the group, as they do in the US.

 

[asbestos]

Jeezus would join the national guard.

 

[Formaldehyde]

According to this article, evangelical Christians represent less than 2% of the population in Europe:

http://wwrn.org/articles/22243/

Evangelical Christianity is flourishing in Europe. France has witnessed an eight-fold increase in Evangelical Christians during the past half century, from roughly 50,000 to 400,000. Those numbers are small in absolute terms. Evangelicals represent less than two-percent of the European population.

No wonder our politics seem so strange to them.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because God always has worked with man through man.

I thought he used floods and plagues and burning bushes (or electing them).

God sent his son as a man so that we can be saved. Every action that God has taken part of has been to show man that he is creator and holds the power. God's special creation is man and as a result he works with them. If he needs to punish men for their sins, he will use other men to execute his judgement.

Problem: Men think they know what God wants and execute their own judgment in his name.

Solution: God would never use an actual army to do a darned thing.

He died on the cross to homosexuals can come to know that he wants to save them from their sins.

Other problem-

Christians obsession with homosexuality, and their need to save them from it, when it can't be changed. Mysticism butting up against actual facts causes messy results.

 

[azzaman333]

*edit*

Actually, that's a bit harsh. Redacted.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

animals aint got nothing on us when it comes to violence and corruption

on us? most people are intelligent animals...

 

[Leoreth]

According to this article, evangelical Christians represent less than 2% of the population in Europe:

No wonder our politics seem so strange to them.

Indeed. It took a while to wrap my mind around that fact.

 

[MobBoss]

The vast majority of Christians hardly agree with you and many of the other evangelists on many issues. The "conspiracy" part is claiming they do, or that many people in these threads really have any issues with most Christians at all.

It is your perception of reality is what is far different than most people, even most Christians. This is particularly true outside of the US where evangelical Christians make up far less than 28% of the group, as they do in the US.

You are indeed delusional if you really think this of me and the 'vast majority' of Christians, as you put it. I hadnt realized you talked with them all.

Christians obsession with homosexuality, and their need to save them from it, when it can't be changed. Mysticism butting up against actual facts causes messy results.

I think your basic premise is wrong here. It's homosexuals that are obsessed with homosexualty. Why, just look at who creates all those threads around here...its not Christians.

 

[JollyRoger]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=259061

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=206137

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=192159

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=179251

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=176573

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=171053

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=169798

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=142786

 

[Leoreth]

It's homosexuals that are obsessed with homosexualty.

In a political context, no. Homosexuals want equal rights and be otherwise left alone. It's Christian moralists and conservatives who force them to enter the political arena to protect their rights.

 

[peter grimes]

I think your basic premise is wrong here. It's homosexuals that are obsessed with homosexualty. Why, just look at who creates all those threads around here...its not Christians.

What does MobBoss think of homosexuality?

A thread started by MobBoss denigrating homosexuality

Another thread started by MobBoss denigrating homosexuality

A third thread started by MobBoss denigrating homosexuality

A fourth thread started by MobBoss denigrating homosexuality

Yet a fifth thread started by MobBoss denigrating homosexuality

And still another thread started by MobBoss denigrating homosexuality

Likely not the last thread started by MobBoss denigrating homosexuality

In a political context, no. Homosexuals want equal rights and be otherwise left alone. It's Christian moralists and conservatives who force them to enter the political arena to protect their rights.

:slowclap:
Wow, MobBoss. Looks like you crucified yourself there.

 

[Borachio]

Look at that. That is some minor obsession with homosexuality. I wonder...er...Mr MobBoss, sir...you don't have some secret tendency that way yourself, do you? No, no, of course not. Just wondering.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[Borachio]

Well, OK. I was only gently teasing. I don't know the man at all, really.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You are indeed delusional if you really think this of me and the 'vast majority' of Christians, as you put it. I hadnt realized you talked with them all.

You don't have to talk to all of them to realize that most of them think many extremist evangelists give Christianity a bad name. Some have even stated so in this forum.

Even many Americans are fed up with it, much less Christians in Europe and elsewhere.

Politicians giving religion a bad name

Religion in the 2012 presidential election is the topic that will launch a thousand PhD theses. The pre-Vatican II Catholic candidate, Rick Santorum, has risen largely on the support of evangelicals, who, before the Second Vatican Council, often regarded the pope as the Antichrist. The former Mormon bishop, Mitt Romney, won Ohio and Michigan (and thus probably the nomination) arguably because of Catholic support. Meanwhile, a significant portion of the Republican electorate regards a president who has affirmed “the resurrection of our savior Jesus Christ” as a closet Muslim.

In light of these developments, Americans have every right to be confused. But they hold one conviction about the role of religion in politics with increasing clarity: There is too much of it. A recent survey by the Pew Research Center found that 38 percent of Americans believe there is “too much expression of religious faith and prayer from political leaders.” This is up from 29 percent in 2010.

Candidates such as Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have practiced a kind of identity politics, urging evangelicals to support one of their own. Then they reduced the evangelical tradition to a pathetic caricature, defined by support for school prayer or (in Bachmann’s case) conspiratorial opposition to vaccines. Their view of Christian social ethics is strangely identical to the most uncompromising anti-government ideology — involving the systematic subordination of a rich tradition of social justice to a narrow and predictable political agenda. It is difficult to imagine Bachmann or Perry in the same political universe as evangelical abolitionists and social reformers William Wilberforce and Lord Shaftesbury.

The problem is not, as some have alleged, a secret theocratic plot. It is the regression of evangelical politicians — and politicians appealing to evangelicals — to the worst habits of the religious right circa 1980. They jostle to claim a divine calling. They appear in the pulpit with pastors who talk ignorantly of America as a “Christian nation.” Some, when they lose, hint darkly of anti-religious persecution. This is the behavior of Jerry Falwell on a bad day. Americans are right to find it discrediting.

No, the majority of Christians do not support these views even in the US, much less the rest of the world. That is what makes it the vast majority.

Even stating that I must be "delusional" since I haven't talked to them all again shows how you continue to falsely "trespass against" me with nearly every remark I make.

Indeed. It took a while to wrap my mind around that fact.

I have no idea of how evangelical Christianity has grown by leaps and bounds in this country while it is dying a slow death nearly every place else. It is disconcerting and even dangerous given how people like Ronald Reagan and GWB continue to be elected to the presidency, much less how people like Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum can possibly have enough support in the Republican Party to even think about running for the presidency.

 

[JollyRoger]

8 Threads over almost 7 years.... why he's obsessed that's just over a thread a year!

Relativism for the win.

 

[fishjie]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=259061

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=206137

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=192159

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=179251

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=176573

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=171053

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=169798

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=142786

i dont post here much but i am glad i was able to see this post in all its glory

why the hell do christians care so much about gays getting married? they keep proclaiming the world will end when that happens. isnt that what they want? jesus to come down from the sky, trumpets blaring, as the fags and atheists are cast down into a lake of fire and tortured.

if god cares so much, he will smite the infidels. jesus was a soldier after all, just read the book of revelation. if he doesn't, we can only assume he is imaginary. or that maybe he just doesn't give a damn. either way, an omnipotent omniscient super being can take care of itself ok