Would Ron Paul make a good president?

Do you Support Ron Paul?


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I would like to change my opinion on Paul. While I am still opposed to him ideologicaly, I would vote for him over a neo-con. While life would begin to suck immensly, at least there would still be (hopefuly) ethical elections where social democrats can win after everyone who isn't rich gets shafted with a broom handle and realizes Libertarianism doesn't work.
Or everybody becomes a left libertarian.

EDIT: I'm sad I missed the tanning tax is racist part. Hate by Numbers has a good video on it. Which I'm still going to link to for your viewing pleasure:

Link to video.
If you lack time, just skip ahead to 1:30.
 
At first it was funny/ironic when Republicans were calling Paul crazy, but now this is serious, where do Republicans and teabaggers get off calling Ron Paul racist? :crazyeye:

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Reaction to protester: Worst attempt at creating a meme, EVER!
 
That's two people who have no idea what the term "white privilege" actually means. Any more, just so we can get the inevitable, desperate, frustrated explanation out of the way in one go?


Neatly demonstrating the inherent absurdity of an arbitrary model of biological race, as if it wasn't already pretty damn obvious.

Two people? Me and who else? Clearly white privelege either dosen't exist, or also exist for other races. Post me an example of this famous "white priveldge" and i'll give you counter examples.
 
Two people? Me and who else? Clearly white privelege either dosen't exist, or also exist for other races. Post me an example of this famous "white priveldge" and i'll give you counter examples.

The other poster is me and there is white privilege but there is privilege for every race. In the US it is equal.
 
Not until I find evidence that America was meant to be a Christian nation. Yes, I still remember. Yes, I'm still holding it against you.

America was founded on Christian values. The whole point of the pilgrims was to get away from the religious persecution they were suffering from and start a new country free from that. Certainly ideals that any good Christian should stand up for.
 
Well its all okay when we are persecuting ourselves.

classical hero said:
America was founded on Christian values. The whole point of the pilgrims was to get away from the religious persecution they were suffering from and start a new country free from that. Certainly ideals that any good Christian should stand up for.
Yes, the fled religous intolerance, so then why are so many 'christian values' people expressing religous intolerance? IIRC Rhode Island was the first state to enshrine in their constitution religous freedom. (Of course you had to be a Christian to enjoy religous freedom, but it was a step in the right direction.)
 
Isn't that what Catholic pennance in for?;)
I'm reminded of a line from 30 Rock.
"How dare you say something like that in front of the stature of St. Lucila: the patron saint of judgemental statues."
 
America was founded on Christian values. The whole point of the pilgrims was to get away from the religious persecution they were suffering from and start a new country free from that. Certainly ideals that any good Christian should stand up for.

America was founded on liberal, secular values. The most secular values of the day, and this was from very devout people. Many were Christian. But there's nothing about Christianity in all of our laws. The closest we come is the "endowed by our creator" stuff.

It's a nod and a wink to religion, but America is not defined by Christian values.
 
It's a nod and a wink to religion, but America is not defined by Christian values.

There's always something missing in our hearts. A void that only the belief of God existence could fill. People always fantasize on some very omnipotent and creator-of-all Elohim, mainly because we perceive things as they're already there.

IMO, there would be little to no religion on Earth if we are already scientifically advance enough, probably 10,000 years ago, to know that we are made up of cells and that we can consider bacteria as our forefathers. If that was the case, then Thor wouldn't be the God of Thunder, but rather a brand of technosuits, energy weapons, and defense mechanisms. Also, Helena would probably be the new name for Uranium.

"May God bless America." is quite a literary irony, isn't it? If God is a mere decor to further his/her goals, then technically America is defined by some Christian values even though it's diminishing rapidly these days.

I just snapped. I remembered a priest sermon that those who do not believe in God is worst than Satan, because even Satan knows there's a God. After that, there was darkness everywhere. I was asleep.
 
There's always something missing in our hearts. A void that only the belief of God existence could fill. People always fantasize on some very omnipotent and creator-of-all Elohim, mainly because we perceive things as they're already there.

I disagree. You have to figure that a God creator of that type would be able to foresee the great wars, mass exterminations, hatreds, tortures, and serial rapist/murderers all in advance, and this thing didn't seem to care and allowed it to happen. He also allowed people to be born with horrible disfigurements and serious brain maladies which cause severe suffering.

Not in my universe, not if I were in charge.

Given what else people say about God, about this hell, and the sorts of things he rewards you with heaven for, I have to conclude God is a sociopath if he exists, and therefore I hope he does not. The last thing I need is to suffer and die and then become either a perpetual slave of a really questionable tyrant, or a tormented soul burning in his dungeon. Death seems rather like a sweet release to me by comparison.

IMO, there would be little to no religion on Earth if we are already scientifically advance enough, probably 10,000 years ago, to know that we are made up of cells and that we can consider bacteria as our forefathers. If that was the case, then Thor wouldn't be the God of Thunder, but rather a brand of technosuits, energy weapons, and defense mechanisms. Also, Helena would probably be the new name for Uranium.

Even today new religions continue to pop up, and silly superstitions exist. People seem to be tripping over themselves to believe in some astrology/tarot/psychic/Reiki/luck/fate/feng shi/curse/magic/ghost/crop circle nonsense.

Even if there were no religion it would seem that people would find the time to believe in something utterly ridiculous. People might walk around with their fingers in their nose to stop their lungs from escaping. People are rather strange to me.

"May God bless America." is quite a literary irony, isn't it? If God is a mere decor to further his/her goals, then technically America is defined by some Christian values even though it's diminishing rapidly these days.

Why would God bless America? Why wouldn't he bless the whole world?

Did the Mexicans south of the border do something to offend him? And if he is to bless the whole world, what's up with all these wars/famine/disease/racism/sexism/genital mutilation/mass extermination stuff?

I just snapped. I remembered a priest sermon that those who do not believe in God is worst than Satan, because even Satan knows there's a God. After that, there was darkness everywhere. I was asleep.

:crazyeye:

I still struggle to comprehend exactly what Satan has done which is so awful, when human beings commit the most foul atrocities, far more heinous than anything I could have imagined on my own. Everything evil gets blamed on this mythological goat figure, and he would seem to be the most evil thing ever, and yet the only things he's ever done according to the bible would be to ask people to think for themselves and to tempt jesus into serving himself instead of god.

That's it, really. I dunno, the guy that kills babies and eats their brains seems way worse. And then of course, God the willing accomplice/uncaring bystander just lets it all happen.

Thank goodness I don't believe in any of this bullpuckey.

Anyways this is a Ron Paul thread so any of this kind of discussion should probably be moved to another thread. I'm game.
 
Sorry it got derailed. Anyways, Ron Paul...

is never heard in this part of the world.
 
Sorry it got derailed. Anyways, Ron Paul...

is never heard in this part of the world.

Oh don't worry, he's mostly out of sight; out of mind around these parts as well. I'm pretty sure that's true for most of America. He's truly the Ralph Nader of the right in many respects. The extremists dream of his election, and the rest view him as taking valuable votes away from their party.
 
Two people? Me and who else? Clearly white privelege either dosen't exist, or also exist for other races. Post me an example of this famous "white priveldge" and i'll give you counter examples.
"Two" as in "You and Domination". As for "examples", that would be oversimplifying it; white privilege is not to be understood as a series of personal privileges, but as a collective privileged, which is to say the institutionalised social and economic primacy of a particular group, in this case European-Americans or "whites". Of course, that itself is a simplification, as the realities of ethnicity colour the fiction of race, leading to sub-racial hierarchies, although many of those are becoming less prominent (while a Lebanese-American may still be discriminated against, an Irish-American will rarely be). It is also simplistic in that it is overly Eurocentric (ironically, this is a symptom of the system), and ignores the broader racial hierarchy that places East Asians-Americans above South Asian-Americans, South Asians above African-Americans, etc. As such, it can indeed be argued that certain "races" are privileged over others, but within a hierarchy, rather than independently.

There's always something missing in our hearts. A void that only the belief of God existence could fill. People always fantasize on some very omnipotent and creator-of-all Elohim, mainly because we perceive things as they're already there.
I would strongly disagree. Most primitive religions are shamanistic, animistic and/or pantheistic in nature, gradually evolving into a form of polytheism that does not necessarily invoke a particular creator-deity. Some religions have retained this, such as Shinto and Taoism, while others, such as Hinduism, differ drastically in their interpretation of "god". Take Gaelic mythology- that includes a string of divine races, none including a particular creator god, and all subservient to a greater universal essence; in one story, the Gaels actually earn their place in Ireland by calling upon the land herself to aid them in their struggle against the Gods, who has themselves seized it from several earlier god-tribes who had themselves once been conquerors. Needless to say, this rather contradicts the idea of spirituality as the inevitable veneration of a single, all-powerful creator-patriarch.

IMO, there would be little to no religion on Earth if we are already scientifically advance enough, probably 10,000 years ago, to know that we are made up of cells and that we can consider bacteria as our forefathers. If that was the case, then Thor wouldn't be the God of Thunder, but rather a brand of technosuits, energy weapons, and defense mechanisms. Also, Helena would probably be the new name for Uranium.
I think this represents a fairly fundamental misunderstanding of pagan and animistic belief; gods are not fictional characters, at least first and foremost, but personifications of concepts, objects or phenomena. Thor is the thunder god because he is thunder personified (among other things), he is not simply the Power Ranger that got assigned that particular zord. The later characterisation, which you seem to be reflecting, represents a monotheistic world view, in which gods are grand, definite things, and not simply a particular power or significant rank of animistic being; pagans had no such clear cut distinction- as reflected by historical records, myths, and surviving pagan or pagan-derived faiths- instead treating a local river spirit and the God of the Seas as the same basic breed of entity (and, in a broader sense, all living things, tangible and intangible, as related).
(Which is, among other things, why I, personally, consider paganism/animism entirely compatible and relevant to the modern world. It isn't, at it's heart, about formally explaining the world, but about understanding and expressing the experience of it. We may know that Thor has never actually rode across the sky, that Manannán mac Lir has never stirred up a storm or that Amaterasu has never made the sun rise, but that does not diminish them as poetic expressions of such phenomena.)
 
There's always something missing in our hearts. A void that only the belief of God existence could fill. People always fantasize on some very omnipotent and creator-of-all Elohim, mainly because we perceive things as they're already there.

IMO, there would be little to no religion on Earth if we are already scientifically advance enough, probably 10,000 years ago, to know that we are made up of cells and that we can consider bacteria as our forefathers. If that was the case, then Thor wouldn't be the God of Thunder, but rather a brand of technosuits, energy weapons, and defense mechanisms. Also, Helena would probably be the new name for Uranium.

"May God bless America." is quite a literary irony, isn't it? If God is a mere decor to further his/her goals, then technically America is defined by some Christian values even though it's diminishing rapidly these days.

I just snapped. I remembered a priest sermon that those who do not believe in God is worst than Satan, because even Satan knows there's a God. After that, there was darkness everywhere. I was asleep.

I, for one, would be much happier if I knew for certain there was no god. And I'd feel much safer if 5 or 6 billion other people felt the same.
 
Politics is the art of what is possible and it isn't possible for Ron Paul to be President. I happen to believe that it is a good thing.
 
You know, I used to think Ron Paul was a racist, but looking at his earmarks, he requested a lot of money (about twelve million in '09 alone) for various NuBlac projects in his district. In between railing about the evils of earmarks and taking White Supremacist money I presume.
 
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