WTC Mosque Part Four!!!

[Eran of Arcadia]

How did they know you clearly werent a muslim? Is it something that can be determined just by looking at you?

I don't know about him, but in my case it was because I was with a bunch of classmates from a theology course I was taking. Several cars full of white college students tend to stand out.

And, again, similar situation with the Mormon/Muslim Interfaith Iftars (Ramadan fast-breaking celebrations) I attended.

 

[MobBoss]

I don't know about him, but in my case it was because I was with a bunch of classmates from a theology course I was taking. Several cars full of white college students tend to stand out.

Muslims cant be 'white college students'?

But I get that you were in a group previously identified as non-muslims and expected.

What if you, as a 'white college student' just walked into a mosque alone on your own? Would it still be obvious you werent a muslim then?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Why on earth would it matter? The point is, I was treated well by Muslims who knew I wasn't Muslim, in their own mosque; their ability to play "Spot the non-Muslim" is . . . well I just don't know how to respond.

 

[JollyRoger]

I once walked into a mosque with a sunburned neck and was not treated badly.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

How did they know you clearly werent a muslim? Is it something that can be determined just by looking at you?

It's a small mosque, people know each other and I didn't take part in religious ceremonies.

And those guys gossip too.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I once walked into a mosque with a sunburned neck and was not treated badly.

You probably didn't ask "where is the 767 trainer" loudly enough.

 

[MobBoss]

You probably didn't ask "where is the 767 trainer" loudly enough.

Actually, Form, that one was quite funny. I lol'd.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I once walked into a Catholic Church, and was mistaken for being Jewish, and was treated nicely.
...What are we talking about again?

 

[JollyRoger]

The decine of freedom of religion in the shadow of Ground Zero.

 

[NYHunter]

There are people out there on the far right who want the government to stop them. Carl Paladino wants to use eminent domain to move the project.

 

[MobBoss]

There are people out there on the far right who want the government to stop them. Carl Paladino wants to use eminent domain to move the project.

I thought he was going to use a baseball bat...

 

[mariogreymist]

Unless convinced otherwise, why wouldnt I think that?

Prejudice comes to mind as one possible reason. You've assumed the organizers are lying - an assumption which seems to be closely attached to how they pray.

Or is it your experience that Mosques in general are quite accepting of other relgious thought/beliefs/expression?

Depends on the mosque, much like Christian Churches vary on these matters. Claiming that you don't think Christ is divine might get you strange looks at a Unitarian or a Quaker church, but if you say such a thing in a baptist church, you should make certain there are no handy materials for stoning or burning at the stake.

Park 51, aka Cordoba house, is being organized by Sufi Muslims. If you don't know what that is, and can't be bothered to look it up, then you aren't entitled to have your opinion on this issue taken seriously.

Which is why this "issue" is just a way of making stupid, angry white men stupider and angrier.

Keep up the good work. I enjoy the entertainment.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Depends on the mosque, much like Christian Churches vary on these matters. Claiming that you don't think Christ is divine might get you strange looks at a Unitarian or a Quaker church, but if you say such a thing in a baptist church, you should make certain there are no handy materials for stoning or burning at the stake.

Your thinking is incorrect here. Very incorrect.

Baptists, at least most of them, do not believe in harming "Infidels." In fact, they feel sorry for them and want to tell them the truth in hopes they will turn away from their disbelief and come to Christ. People go to hell not because they do not believe, but because they sin, and Christ gives us all a way out. We don't hate non-Christians, we love them and so want them to see the truth.

As for the Unitarian Church, this is just my opinion but I wouldn't consider them a real Christian Church. Christ said he was the only way. If you don't even take Christ's words as the divine, I would not consider you to be a Christian. I can't say I know that for sure, but at the very least, they are no more a Christian church then they are a Buddhist Temple or Islamic Mosque, and if you are all of them, you've kinda created your own religion. At least, that's my opinion.

 

[mariogreymist]

A 300 year old account of Christ, put forth by a fallible human being, said that he said he was the only way.

And clearly the example isn't exact. Most Baptists aren't bloodthirsty zealots, but you will find plenty among their ranks. Not every Wahabbist is a suicide bomber either. But to use Islamic extremism as a reason to stop a Sufiist community center from being built is like using the Klan as justification to stop a Quaker from opening a day spa.

 

[MobBoss]

Prejudice Park 51, aka Cordoba house, is being organized by Sufi Muslims. If you don't know what that is, and can't be bothered to look it up, then you aren't entitled to have your opinion on this issue taken seriously.

Oh, I have, probably more so that most people commenting on this subject. Even to the point of looking up Sufi ties to Shia groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and other shia groups in Iraq and elsewhere in the middle east.

I also know not all Sufi groups or sects are the same either...

How about you?

Keep up the good work. I enjoy the entertainment.

Glad you're getting your money's worth.

 

[civver_764]

Oh, I have, probably more so that most people commenting on this subject. Even to the point of looking up Sufi ties to Shia groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and other shia groups in Iraq and elsewhere in the middle east.

 

[GhostWriter16]

A 300 year old account of Christ, put forth by a fallible human being, said that he said he was the only way.

The account was written during the lifetime of eyewitnesses.

And clearly the example isn't exact. Most Baptists aren't bloodthirsty zealots, but you will find plenty among their ranks. Not every Wahabbist is a suicide bomber either. But to use Islamic extremism as a reason to stop a Sufiist community center from being built is like using the Klan as justification to stop a Quaker from opening a day spa.

Maybe in the logical realm it isn't, but in the practical world it is (NOTE: I am not supporting banning the mosque. I think banning the mosque would be silly and would not be a fair use of zoning law at all, therefore it would be a mild form of religious persecution.)

In the real world, Terrorists are Muslim for the most part. If I reversed the statement, it wouldn't be true anymore, because most Muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim. And somehow, though unfairly, people get the feeling that Islam is symbolic of terrorism. In the Middle East, they will see it as a victory monument to radical Islam (Though Taillesskangaru's quote: "If we allow the mosque, the terrorists will think they won, if we don't, the terrorists will win," is valid here.)

In short, life isn't being fair to the Sufi, however, life isn't fair to anyone. Zoning laws have gotten so out of hand that the New York Government is actually able to ban the mosque. THEY are the problem, not random protesters who believe its a bad idea and would like them to voluntarily change the location, not even those who think they should be forced to move, but the people that can and may very well actually make them move, they are the problem. The common public is not the problem. Their rights to freedom of speech, like the mosque builder's rights to freedom of religion, are both equally protected. And, while not totally fair, it is offensive to a lot of people that the mosque is being built there. It doesn't offend me personally, but something like 60% of those polled think it is. If I were the Sufi, I would move it due to the offense it is causing, though he is within his rights not to if he doesn't see fit to.

 

[Traitorfish]

Catholic:

Catholic:

ergo

Secret IRA headquarters:

Am I doing it right?

 

[civver_764]

More like, Palpatine:

Palpatine:

ergo

Secret Vatican City:

 

[GhostWriter16]

More like, Palpatine:

Palpatine:

ergo

Secret Vatican City:

Best post you ever made, wait I forgot a smilie!

Though I hope you weren't being serious, if so the death star!