YOU'RE FIRED!

[EgonSpengler]

Could you provide a link to that article? I'd like to read it. I can see that the headline conflates White supremacy with white privilege, but I know that headlines aren't always written by the author of the article.

 

[civver_764]

Here you go.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Here you go.

Thanks.

Yeah, I'm not sure I love conflating white privilege with white supremacy, but that's a side-point, if not splitting a hair. I agree with his larger point, which I think is in these lines:

Anyone who professes to care about America’s alleged values should be fighting to extend them to those they’re deprived. If they aren’t full of [crap], that is.

And while the protest at the heart of all of this isn’t about the anthem or the flag, it is about calling on America to live up to its self-professed values. As long as black people are killed by cops in the streets or left to wither away in the state’s cages without recourse, that anthem and flag represent promises unfulfilled for millions of Americans.

Boom.

 

[Synobun]

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I'm not offended. I think it's hilarious, and I think you guys should do more of this. This is the kind of thing that pushes people to the right.

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[Mechanicalsalvation]

Free speech

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[Ziggy Stardust]

Free speech

You didn't pay to post here did you? There you go.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

You didn't pay to post here did you? There you go.

Time is money. Never forget that bro.

 

[JollyRoger]

It's only September, yet there are flurries of snowflakes threatening to avalanche the NFL over some players not being politically correct enough.

 

[stinkubus]

You misunderstand. It's only political correctness when one is expected to not be virulently racist or misogynistic in public.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

It's only September, yet there are flurries of snowflakes threatening to avalanche the NFL over some players not being politically correct enough.

Can you in your frozen iceberg mind see the difference between pathetic disrespect to national symbols and imposition of a set of ideological limitations for controling the society?

You misunderstand. It's only political correctness when one is expected to not be virulently racist or misogynistic in public.

Thats just its reasonable beginnig...

 

[stinkubus]

Respect for national symbols is only demanded in fascist dictatorships.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Kneeling is respectful. Standing with their backs turned would be disrespectful. Holding up their middle fingers would be disrespectful. Sticking their thumbs in their ears and waving their fingers while sticking out their tongues would be disrespectful. The kneeling was going out of their way to find a way to protest respectfully. Frankly kneeling is far more respectful then just remaining seated, which some of the players (and thousands of fans BTW) choose to do.

The bottom line is there is nothing that they could do that conservatives would regard as respectful, because they fundamentally dislike and disagree with the cause and the people the cause represents. Don't like the who/what... gonna dislike the how, regardless.

What the people criticizing the NFL players are really saying is "Can't you do your protest in a way that does not offend me or make me feel uncomfortable in any way?!? Can't you just do your protest in a manner that no one has to notice it or see it??" Yeah, no... that's not how protest works.

Speaking of which... in the Berkley Riots thread, we heard all this hand wringing about violent protest and how it wasn't the protest that conservatives were opposed to, it was just violent protest... yeah well this latest controversy sure exposes that to be a fraud and a farce doesn't it? It was never about the violence... it was always about the cause. Don't like the who/what... gonna dislike the how, regardless. Plain as day.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Respect for national symbols is only demanded in fascist dictatorships.

O.K. I see where you are coming from. I think there is a big big gap between demanding respect and fascism. Take the case of Australia where ridiculing the PM is considered an offense. I dont agree much with that authoritative approach but Australia is quite far from fascism wouldnt you say?
On the other hand when PC is being demanded what you would call that? Some call that fascism too.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Kneeling is respectful. Standing with their backs turned would be disrespectful. Holding up their middle fingers would be disrespectful. Sticking their thumbs in their ears and waving their fingers while sticking out their tongues would be disrespectful. The kneeling was going out of their way to find a way to protest respectfully. Frankly kneeling is far more respectful then just remaining seated, which some of the players (and thousands of fans BTW) choose to do.

I agree kneeling is respectful. Kneeling is even more respectful then standing. Protesting during a national anthem isnt respectful and thats all the difference there is to it. That the kneeling is not gesture of extra respect but mere protest has been made clear on several occasions; particulary when one of the teams didnt even come out their locker rooms to honor the anthem.

 

[stinkubus]

O.K. I see where you are coming from. I think there is a big big gap between demanding respect and fascism. Take the case of Australia where ridiculing the PM is considered an offense. I dont agree much with that authoritative approach but Australia is quite far from fascism wouldnt you say?
On the other hand when PC is being demanded what you would call that? Some call that fascism too.

I'm totally ignorant as to the laws of Australia, but this is some sort of binary either/or concept. A political or legal system can have fascist elements without being Nazi Germany. Any law which makes it a crime to criticize or lampoon political leaders is most certainly fascist in nature.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I'm totally ignorant as to the laws of Australia, but this is some sort of binary either/or concept. A political or legal system can have fascist elements without being Nazi Germany. Any law which makes it a crime to criticize or lampoon political leaders is most certainly fascist in nature.

There are several kingdoms in Asia where you have to respect authority of the king. Thailand comes to my mind.
You have to discriminate between authoritative and fascist.

 

[Zkribbler]

This whole kneeling bruhaha began as a way of pointing out the horrendous rate unarmed blacks are being shot by the police. How did we get from there to Australia?

 

[JollyRoger]

Can you in your frozen iceberg mind see the difference between pathetic disrespect to national symbols and imposition of a set of ideological limitations for controling the society?

Yes . . . and getting upset about kneeling during the anthem still falls under snowflakerish obsession with political correctness.

 

[Lexicus]

Any law which makes it a crime to criticize or lampoon political leaders is most certainly fascist in nature.

Not necessarily fascist. Lese majeste wasn't (isn't) fascistic. Authoritarian, though, yes. Autocratic, even, since it generally is a result of sovereignty being invested in an individual.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Yes . . . and getting upset about kneeling during the anthem still falls under snowflakerish obsession with political correctness.

Being respectful is a political corretness to you? When you say hi to your mom you are just being politicaly correct? Mkay...
I think kneeling during anthem is fine. Protesting during an anthem not so much. Do you see the difference?