YuiNES 2- The Modern World
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, yes but it will be remedied next turn.
Frozen In Ice
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Neverwonagame3
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Getting back to the argument (a few circumstances delayed me):
1- I outlawed opposistion to Islamic tradition before declaring the Caliphate. This would make the revolt harder to start.
2- I cede the point on it being a very small portion.
3- Some Shiites at least accept in principle that a Caliphate could be restored by a 100% veritable descendant of Mohammed. My argument (admittedly with some research-based hole) was going to be that the restoration of the Caliphate was a necessity, but that once it happened there could be a battle for control- reunifying Islam would come first, then a civil war. (To be fair, I did not make this clear)
4- It was a minor point in that it was a minor gain from government policy
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1- I outlawed opposistion to Islamic tradition before declaring the Caliphate. This would make the revolt harder to start.
2- I cede the point on it being a very small portion.
3- Some Shiites at least accept in principle that a Caliphate could be restored by a 100% veritable descendant of Mohammed. My argument (admittedly with some research-based hole) was going to be that the restoration of the Caliphate was a necessity, but that once it happened there could be a battle for control- reunifying Islam would come first, then a civil war. (To be fair, I did not make this clear)
4- It was a minor point in that it was a minor gain from government policy
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Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Stop arguing, it isn't going to happen.
especially since you quit as Iran
Symphony D.
Deity
OOC: You still don't get it. You are outlawing the fundamental belief of the Imams who run the country (including the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei), and 90% of the country, as well as that of the most hardcore military units you possess.
It would be as if the Pope woke up one day and decided to say that Jesus wasn't divine and no one could question his statements because he outlawed criticism of them. To claim that that would stifle outrage and revolt is, in a word, ridiculous.
That has no bearing on you not having a descendant of Muhammad and therefore not having any claim to the Caliphate.
Let me distill this point for you, since you seem to have difficulty parsing it:
1. Some Shi'a believe Jurism is valid since an Imamate is not possible.
2. Some don't.
3. But they all still believe that only the Imamate is the only true form of Caliphism--ie: that the Caliph must be descended from Muhammad, rather than a political office.
To summarize: your actions would have (and did) inspire(d) to religious fanaticism virtually the entire population, and your actions were utterly irrational for anyone who would have risen to any position of power in the Iranian government. This is de facto a repeat of the Sweden debacle, only vastly less grounded in reality. What has happened in response to your actions is only a fraction of what should have happened (your character should have been killed long ago, and, if he had survived this long, would have had a fatwa declared against him and been executed very shortly after these events), and you have basically no right to complain, particular as, as mentioned, you decided to quit.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
I was never Iran.
I was referring to neverwonagame
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
OOC: As well as the obvious Sunni/Shi'a thing, this fails on liberalism grounds - observe "Islamic Republic of Iran" Islamic is important yes, but so is Republic. Iranians had a bloody revolution to overthrow a monarch and are proud of their institutions and right to vote (as unrepresentative as the Supreme Leader looks to westerners). Revoking the constitution, especially for an even more theocratic government when most young Iranians aren't that happy about the one they have will lead to rioting in the streets. Finally Iranian military is really really complicated, and the more standard units would be annoyed and overthrowing the constitution (and the revolutionary guard and their ilk will be pissed over the being a damn heretic).
Probably because you didn't buy anything. If you wish, you can resend orders...
a_propagandist
The Light Brigadier
Yui, are you sure the stats posted have been updated? Not only have my purchases not come online, but the player for France is listed as Shadowbound.
Neverwonagame3
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1- On liberalism grounds alone the revolt would fail. That is why I branded opposistion to the principle a Caliphate un-Islamic- it will leave enough doubt to prevent people revolting (in liberalism's name, anyway).
Also, a Republic is simply a country without a monarchy.
2- To be fair, I am partly guilty on this point- I didn't do enough research into it. But your analogy is wrong- you could say fairly, though, that would be like if the Pope got up one day and said that the Protestant faith was the true one.
Anyway, the laws outlawing it were BEFORE that. It would prevent people communicating, and without communication a revolt could not get together.
3- It would be an argument, and could be argued as a mere doctrinal modification- first the creation of a new (and initially Sunni) Caliphate, then a civil war in which the Shiites would be restored.
4- There is no reason why descendancy from Mohammed is incompatible with it being a political office. (King is a political office)
EDIT: I admit what I did was at the least a major stretch, but it wasn't as bad as you seem to think. If I had done it as, say, Saudi Arabia, the move would have been entirely unobjectionable. As it is, I admit I am partially in the wrong but not that I am fully- as I am not.
Also, a Republic is simply a country without a monarchy.
2- To be fair, I am partly guilty on this point- I didn't do enough research into it. But your analogy is wrong- you could say fairly, though, that would be like if the Pope got up one day and said that the Protestant faith was the true one.
Anyway, the laws outlawing it were BEFORE that. It would prevent people communicating, and without communication a revolt could not get together.
3- It would be an argument, and could be argued as a mere doctrinal modification- first the creation of a new (and initially Sunni) Caliphate, then a civil war in which the Shiites would be restored.
4- There is no reason why descendancy from Mohammed is incompatible with it being a political office. (King is a political office)
EDIT: I admit what I did was at the least a major stretch, but it wasn't as bad as you seem to think. If I had done it as, say, Saudi Arabia, the move would have been entirely unobjectionable. As it is, I admit I am partially in the wrong but not that I am fully- as I am not.
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a_propagandist
The Light Brigadier
Er, @ Dachs, I mentioned that because it seemed the "updated" stats were, in fact, the older set of stats. I brought it up again because he said he did, in fact, update stats, but they seem otherwise.
Well economic and population stats are not updated, but I think military stats are (not sure though).
Ace of Gold
MAKE WAY FOR THE BAD GUY
dropping this, I have too many NES's going on at the moment
So this means Belgium is open
So this means Belgium is open
Ok guys, I think a_prop, you are the one who just said spend $1000 on infra. I cannot with a good conscience let you do that without setting any percentages or anything. I gave you progress towards it, but that is it. And I am sorry, that will be corrected next turn, it is just my error.
