Zimmerman Not guilty

[Kyriakos]

From that link:

(CBS News) "Legally, we have to accept" a jury's ruling late Saturday night to acquit former neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, the victim's family lawyer Daryl Parks said Sunday on "Face the Nation." But, countered NAACP president Benjamin Jealous, federal criminal charges could still await Zimmerman "for what he has done."

"There may be a civil action brought by the family, but there should definitely be criminal charges brought by the [Justice Department]," Jealous argued. Under the 2009 Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, he explained, federal investigators would "have to show that race was a factor in his decision making - and there seems to be plenty of evidence that suggests that may race may have been a factor."

(...)

Dyson said: "In the 21st century, in this so-called, alleged sense of a 'post-racial era,' where we know race continues to make a huge difference, Trayvon Martin's body cries from the grave for us to not only grieve, but to get into action and to motivate ourselves - not only African-American people, but all good-willed and good-intending American citizens - to make sure that his death is not in vain."

This is crap :/

 

[Formaldehyde]

You see, in this country everybody is ostensibly supposed to have basic human rights "regardless of race, color, or previous condition of servitude".

Of course, that was stated in reference to the right to vote in the Fifteenth Amendment. But it also generally pertains to walking while black, even in Florida.

 

[timtofly]

Unless they are not breathing on their own.

 

[Kyriakos]

You see, in this country everybody is ostensibly supposed to have basic human rights.

Seems so. It is just that jumping on Z's throat a few hours after he was found innocent by a court, is rather a very threatening reaction which reveals how deeply split the US is. If balances are about keeping one group happy while playing it against another group, it is pretty certain the ones doing the splitting are not after the best interest of the country.

Edit: Hm, Forma, for a minute there you had a post that i could agree with. Then you altered it to turn it into another sniping against Zimmerman :/

 

[Labtec600]

Raise your hand if you have actually reviewed every single piece of information in this trial including going back and reading the entire transcription of the trial. Anyone? Hello?

Yeah, I'm sure not a single person has and you're just spouting out what you have read in some newspaper or saw on TV. I'm not going to say the verdict was right or wrong, not going to say zimmerman was right or wrong, not going to say martin was right or wrong. But it seems most people already have a pre-determined stance and nothing is going to change it so they latch onto the facts that support their position while ignoring those that go against it.

Just like anything else.

 

[Kyriakos]

Raise your hand if you have actually reviewed every single piece of information in this trial including going back and reading the entire transcription of the trial. Anyone? Hello?

Yeah, I'm sure not a single person has and you're just spouting out what you have read in some newspaper or saw on TV. I'm not going to say the verdict was right or wrong, not going to say zimmerman was right or wrong, not going to say martin was right or wrong. But it seems most people already have a pre-determined stance and nothing is going to change it so they latch onto the facts that support their position while ignoring those that go against it.

Just like anything else.

Uh, yeah, but there was a trial and a verdict. Is that of no importance at all?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Seems so. It is just that jumping on Z's throat a few hours after he was found innocent by a court, is rather a very threatening reaction which reveals how deeply split the US is. If balances are about keeping one group happy while playing it against another group, it is pretty certain the ones doing the splitting are not after the best interest of the country.

"Balances" ostensibly have nothing whatsoever to do with it. If anything, "balances" should dictate that martial law be declared. That anybody who dares to even spit on a police car as a result of this verdict be sent to a FEMA reeducation camp. Fortunately, our country doesn't operate that way yet.

Raise your hand if you have actually reviewed every single piece of information in this trial including going back and reading the entire transcription of the trial. Anyone? Hello?

So you are claiming that we should do even far more than the jurors themselves did before even venturing an opinion? That likely nobody has actually done this yet unless they are a speed reader who has access to all the transcripts?

"Hello"?

Yeah, I'm sure not a single person has and you're just spouting out what you have read in some newspaper or saw on TV.

What I "saw on TV" was the entire opening and closing arguments along with the vast majority of the daily testimony without any outside opinion from some talking head whatsoever.

How about you? What are you "spouting about"?

 

[Labtec600]

Uh, yeah, but there was a trial and a verdict. Is that of no importance at all?

And thats my point. The jury sat there all day everyday. The jury heard everything. None of us did. They made the decision based off everything.

We just heard little pieces of information that was decided to be important by a news organization to support whether they lean left or right. Look what happened when it first started, some news organizations were taking statements in the 911 call out of context to twist the information to make it look like zimmerman was only following martin because he was black.

Until people review the ENTIRE case and all the information themselves, they should hold judgement.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Not quite sure why you aren't taking your own advice here, especially the sheer nonsense about "taking statements in the 911 call out of context to twist the information to make it look like zimmerman was only following martin because he was black". After all, that was completely debunked long ago.

If you can't even get that right, what chance do you have after even reading all the transcripts which you will likely not ever do?

 

[Labtec600]

What I "saw on TV" was the entire opening and closing arguments along with the vast majority of the daily testimony without any outside opinion from some talking head whatsoever.

How about you? What are you "spouting about"?

No, I didnt watch it all. I have a job that I have to be at during the day. And if you read, I didnt give any opinion of if the decision was right or wrong because I dont have all the information.

 

[Labtec600]

Not quite sure why you aren't taking your own advice here, especially the sheer nonsense about "taking statements in the 911 call out of context to twist the information to make it look like zimmerman was only following martin because he was black". After all, that was completely debunked long ago.

If you can't even get that right, what chance do you have after even reading all the transcripts?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ads-to-multiple-embarrassments-for-nbc-msnbc/

Nonsense huh?

No, it really happened.

And here's the same thing from the Huffington site, which everyone seems to love to have stories from.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/06/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc_n_2253095.html


Dont play stupid and act like news organizations dont twist things to support their own views.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Raise your hand if you have actually reviewed every single piece of information in this trial including going back and reading the entire transcription of the trial. Anyone? Hello?

Yeah, I'm sure not a single person has and you're just spouting out what you have read in some newspaper or saw on TV. I'm not going to say the verdict was right or wrong, not going to say zimmerman was right or wrong, not going to say martin was right or wrong. But it seems most people already have a pre-determined stance and nothing is going to change it so they latch onto the facts that support their position while ignoring those that go against it.

Just like anything else.

If you read the other threads, everyone had their opinion ready by page 2.

 

[Bootstoots]

So, now that he's been acquitted, are there any restrictions on his traveling internationally? That might be a good idea under the circumstances. At the very least he should escape Florida ASAP.

 

[Formaldehyde]

No, I didnt watch it all. I have a job that I have to be at during the day. And if you read, I didnt give any opinion of if the decision was right or wrong because I dont have all the information.

Yet you just gave your opinion regarding the decision of a single editor at NBC which actually had no impact at all on public opinion. That is with the possible exception of the handful of people who were completely clueless regarding the call except for that single mention of it on early morning TV, and who then went into a coma or decided to sail around the world so they missed all the resulting controversy.

You have now made 1,603 posts in this forum. Are we to believe you didn't express any opinion about any subject which you didn't spend weeks or months intensely studying all the evidence and supporting facts beforehand, especially after just posting this particular example?

 

[Inhalaattori]

The problem is in the "stand your ground" law. There have been many cases where a person (of same race) was pretty much executed based on this law. So to me this race stuff is ridiculous. Lots of blacks and so called "liberals" seem to be most racist ones. Most racist attacks in US are made by blacks. "White guilt" seems to prevent liberals from seeing the reality in US.

 

[Birdjaguar]

And then there is this from Florida last year:

http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/313726.html

 

[Zelig]

The problem is in the "stand your ground" law. There have been many cases where a person (of same race) was pretty much executed based on this law. So to me this race stuff is ridiculous. Lots of blacks and so called "liberals" seem to be most racist ones. Most racist attacks in US are made by blacks. "White guilt" seems to prevent liberals from seeing the reality in US.

Yes, because liberal blacks love "stand your ground" laws.

 

[Wrymouth3]

lots of blacks and so called "liberals" seem to be most racist ones. Most racist attacks in us are made by blacks. "white guilt" seems to prevent liberals from seeing the reality in us.

"When will we talk about the real problem: Black people being racist against white people." You seriously are not inferring this I hope.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

And yesterday a blank panther said he'd be happy if Zimmerman were killed in prison.


http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/12/n...rman-is-killed-in-prison-video/#ixzz2Z2IUNXeP

Here's hoping for Zimmerman's safety.

A New Black Panther. They are not endorsed by the Black Panther Party, which is now defunct.

 

[Azale]

The problem is in the "stand your ground" law. There have been many cases where a person (of same race) was pretty much executed based on this law. So to me this race stuff is ridiculous. Lots of blacks and so called "liberals" seem to be most racist ones. Most racist attacks in US are made by blacks. "White guilt" seems to prevent liberals from seeing the reality in US.

Where have you gleamed this knowledge from?