The Communist Manifesto

That splash is really cool! Make it require Communism government as well. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Yup. Nice splash. :goodjob:
Too bad can't flag anything "allows X government" otherwise this would make a great prerequisite to communism government.
Guess have to follow tjedge1's idea.
 
how about the idea of making it a small wonder. whoever makes it, will change to communism automatically, without waiting for a few turns in anarchy (MOST tribes will be benefitted not all though :)).
well, i forgot to mention that it looks really cool...i like communism...coz my dumb strategy dictates me to change from depotism to communism...i change govt only once in a game :)
 
>> how about the idea of making it a small wonder. whoever makes it, will change to communism automatically, without waiting for a few turns in anarchy (MOST tribes will be benefitted not all though ).

It isn't possible.
 
I mentioned this before, but is it possible that it forces Revolution on all Civs except the builder? In effect, it simulates Marxist revolutionaries across the world? Just an idea...
 
A wonder that perhaps allows Communist states to initiate good propaganda against anyone would be appropriate, but I doubt thats possible.

Perhaps it could alter worker efficiency or somesuch for Communist governments, if the country had say 5 police stations. Something like that... blah :p

pretty lame for a first post :)

:rolleyes:

(edit - perhaps it is possible to minimise citizen unhappiness due to forced labour with this as a small wonder? kind of a brainwashing belief in the system?)
 
or one could make it put a courthouse in each communist city for that civ...and maybe there should be one for democracy too, like COMMON SENSE...
 
It shouldn't make people immediately happy. It should cause social unrest, eventually leading to labor and social reforms. I don't know how taht could all fit in.
 
They're back! and kicking capitalist but! :D

(Thanks, Rufus, your graphics always kick but) :goodjob:
 
Great idea :D I know that the Soviets wanted to build a wonder like that, but they didn't finish it, because Stalin stopped the revolution fase, and changed the SSSR (CCCP in russian) into despotism instead. The Soviet poltics after Lenin is often by socialists (as me) called State-capitalism, because the party took all the money, and pissed on the people, instead of saving it :cry: But as Marx said, communism will come sooner or later, it's just a matter of time.
 
Maybe every few turns, it could produce some kind of 'Marxist Guerrilla' Unit (hidden nationality and able to enslave other units into new Marxist Guerillas)
 
Gormr Gamli said:
Great idea :D I know that the Soviets wanted to build a wonder like that, but they didn't finish it, because Stalin stopped the revolution fase, and changed the SSSR (CCCP in russian) into despotism instead. The Soviet poltics after Lenin is often by socialists (as me) called State-capitalism, because the party took all the money, and pissed on the people, instead of saving it :cry: But as Marx said, communism will come sooner or later, it's just a matter of time.

Yeah... F*!king Stalin. I really don't like him.

Anyway, enough OT (especially you, Roi du Culture :p). I think it should require the Communist government (obviously), and make people happy in the city and continent (maybe country), possibly reduce corruption (unified theory in writing might cause more support from the people)... Great wonder :goodjob:!
 
I missed this the first time around...

I am actually going to have to disagree on requiring Communism. They weren't under a Communist society when they wrote this. Rather, it inspired the rise of several Communist societies.

In my game, I've actually started making the later wonders cost more than just shields. I now have wonders with negative happiness values... they have very powerful positive effects, but that comes at a price.

I've created a series of wonders, advances, and citizens intended to represent what historians have termed the "Age of Uncertainty". The orderly Victorian society was coming to an end as early as the 1860s. In the United States, civil war was the beginning of their foundation being gutted from underneath them. In Europe, from the Franco-Prussian War to the beginning of the First World War, fear and tension were on the rise and a new, far more brutal version of war was being born out of a period of uneasy peace. Men like Freud and Nietzsche were tearing the heart out of the Victorian society from the inside of the human mind. When Nietzsche pronounced "God was dead", people heard it. And when the dust had settled from the great Continental war, many people believed it. As technology improved, the rich got richer and the poor... well, they got richer too, but it was a lot harder to see because of the decadence around them. Class struggle reached a peak, and Marx and Engels were there to exploit the break. Charles Darwin had been laughed or condemned in the 1850s for his Theory of Evolution, and yet, not a generation later, those same people who shunned him were using him to justify conquest and genocide in Africa just as a generation after that, the Nazis used it to justify conquest and genocide in Europe. Even men like Einstein were doing their part... destroying the old Newtonian view of the universe with its center and fixed laws. Later Heisenberg would add to this with his Uncertainty Principle. In regular society, Jazz was horrifying the older generation and liberating the younger one. Skirts were getting shorter and women were breaking free of their old bonds, and with their freedom came a virtual sexual explosion in the post-World War I era. Sure, you see those old reels of the Old Guard of Europe marching off to war in 1914, but their war was as much a product of the upheaval as the Communists who denounced the war as Imperialist and capitalist in nature, and the Old Guard would not survive to see the end of it.

For the people of the time, this era must have looked almost like an implosion of society!

So I've reflected that in my mod with techs like Socialism, Atheism, Existentialism, and Psychology, and with wonders like Freud's Psychoanalysis and Marx's Das Kapital, which maybe I'll replace with this lovely graphic here...

I think that the Communist Manifesto would fall into the same vein. A cause of social disorder, but with its own unique boost in Civ3 terms.
 
I'm not sure I agree with the unhappiness thing for all for the aforementioned... Or really that many at all. Monotheism pissed off a lot of the Polytheist, and caused a lot of wars (though not as many or to the same magnitude)... I think making everything that pissed off certian soceities (though atheism pissed off A LOT of people, that's cause they weren't many -and still aren't) isn't realistic... I reserved the unhappiness thing for improvements like slave camps, and such.

Personally, I gave it that requirement, since I can't make it a requirement for communism...
 
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