2020 US Election (Part One)

[metalhead]

Biden would lose to Trump. Biden has all the "establishment" baggage that Hillary did, the appeal that Biden brings, is redundant with Trump's appeal and the majority of folks who Biden appeals to (besides reliable Democrats), are already irrevocably Trump supporters.

Biden strikes me as the kind of recycled crap candidate that loses to Trump if perceptions of the economy stay positive.

I think if the economy keeps heading into the crapper, Trump would lose to just about anybody except maybe Hillary or Elizabeth Warren.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Knowing the Democrats, Biden will probably win the Nomination by a landslide.

 

[Fippy]

If Trump wins the next election, i will stop believing in America..
I often "defended them" (am in Europe), when friends or relatives questioned their politics or gun control, stuff like that,
and i appreciated Obama as fine human.

No excuses left thou if Trump can continue,
not much more than a kid in mind who likes playing with his twitter account,
any democratic candidate must win now against this bad president joke, or i write off America (i know nobody cares but those are my thoughts).

 

[Archon_Wing]

f Trump wins the next election, i will stop believing in America..

Eh, gave us much more credit than you should have.

 

[onejayhawk]

Too young. Like actually, legally.

Correct. The minimum age is 35. In 2020 she will be 31.

If Trump wins the next election, i will stop believing in America. I often "defended them" (am in Europe), when friends or relatives questioned their politics or gun control, stuff like that, and i appreciated Obama as fine human.

No excuses left thou if Trump can continue, not much more than a kid in mind who likes playing with his twitter account, any democratic candidate must win now against this bad president joke, or i write off America (i know nobody cares but those are my thoughts).

Why? Trump is proof the system works as designed.

J

 

[Ajidica]

Why? Trump is proof the system works as designed.

I would ask you to explain how a candidate who failed -by three million votes- to secure a majority of the electorate and has proceeded to act with virtual impunity in appointing family members to high positions and actively facilitates some of the most flagrant corruption by public servants seen in recent decades is "the system working as designed".

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I would ask you to explain how a candidate who failed -by three million votes- to secure a majority of the electorate and has proceeded to act with virtual impunity in appointing family members to high positions and actively facilitates some of the most flagrant corruption by public servants seen in recent decades is "the system working as designed".

Why ask? By now even passing lurkers know that the answer is "shills gotta shill no matter how stupid it makes them look."

 

[Estebonrober]

J and crew for 'Murica!

 

[Sommerswerd]

You all missed the key phrase which is "as designed"... the unsaid, but integral part of which is "designed by land-owning, and/or slave-owning, rich, white, dudes, as a means to perpetuate their own control and power and deny anyone outside that group any access to it"

That's what was meant... and it all makes sense in that context.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Hey! It was progressive by 18th century standards!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You all missed the key phrase which is "as designed"... the unsaid, but integral part of which is "designed by land-owning, and/or slave-owning, rich, white, dudes, as a means to perpetuate their own control and power and deny anyone outside that group any access to it"

That's what was meant... and it all makes sense in that context.

I don't really think so. I'm not committed to the perpetuating and denying part, but I'm pretty much the land owning rich white dude part, and someone like Pence or a Bush, a Reagan or Romney, all those typical GOP types; they would be examples of "working as designed." Trump has generated nothing but chaos, and those of us on top of the existing system are not benefited by chaos. So even from that standpoint D'ump is not working out.

 

[Kyriakos]

Any chance that Bern or someone similar will run?

 

[AdrienIer]

There's no chance that no one similar to Bernie runs.

 

[Kyriakos]

There's no chance that no one similar to Bernie runs.

Well, as long as they are similar regarding Bern's good properties

 

[AdrienIer]

Well at least they'll be from the left wing of the democratic party. And there's a good chance that Bernie runs anyway.

 

[onejayhawk]

You all missed the key phrase which is "as designed"... the unsaid, but integral part of which is "designed by land-owning, and/or slave-owning, rich, white, dudes, as a means to perpetuate their own control and power and deny anyone outside that group any access to it"

That's what was meant... and it all makes sense in that context.

I suppose that is true, but it's all beside the point.

What is relevant is that someone who was underfunded, lacking traditional qualifications, vilified by the press, hated the parties, and despised by the bureaucracy was able to rally sufficient support to win anyway. Note that a serious move to expel him began even before he took office. Compare the treatment of literally any other President.

J

 

[JollyRoger]

Compare the treatment of literally any other President.

J

Any other President acting has Trump has, would have been impeached by now or shamed out of office.

Plus, Trump has not had an orange headed snowflake or hundreds of other assorted and similar losers demanding to see his birth certificate.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Plus, Trump has not had an orange headed snowflake or hundreds of other assorted and similar losers demanding to see his birth certificate.

When Donald Trump goes on Twitter demanding to see his own birth certificate and accusing himself of being a seekrit kenyan muslim........he will have officially gone back off the deep end(after hitting the bottom, getting sucked into the drain, gone through the pump and shot back out again into the deep end....for the 957,253rd time) and his approval ratings will remain at 39%.

 

[onejayhawk]

Any other President acting has Trump has, would have been impeached by now or shamed out of office.

Plus, Trump has not had an orange headed snowflake or hundreds of other assorted and similar losers demanding to see his birth certificate.

It's interesting that you mention shame. He has turned out to be a decent President on substance. I'll leave things like shaming to those who feel it is an appropriate device.

J

 

[Archon_Wing]

The system works because Trump has not appointed himself king and turned the world into smoldering nuclear glass, meaning that checks on power do work even when all 3 branches of government were run by madmen, and nearly half the country doesn't care about any of the above.* It's amazing we have survived Republican domination of all 3 branches of government without turning America into a Christian racialist Theocracy despite their best efforts.

I should say yet.

Or....

People say the system works because they like the result. I'm sure HItler thought the system worked fine too.

*I take that back. I actually mean 3/4. Because there are half the people in the country that do not vote. How exactly did we manage to even keep some semblance of democracy when half don't even participate is an accomplishment too....To those of you how refused to take sides. I'm glad you held true to your ideals. You can tell those Muslim passengers that were detained (even if they were legal residents) and you can tell those children that were held in those interment camps that hey, they might have not been there, but you can sleep well at night. Because emails. I am however glad to see the wakeup call and things are changing as of 2018. But it's not enough.