2020 US Election (Part One)

[Ironsided]

Sure you are. You, luiz, really come to mind when defending composure - Mr quote warrior. It was a slur and maybe in poor taste, I’ll give you that, but you are just creating an off topic straw man like you always do - to posture against. Insincerely. Because you can’t argue the issues, you never could.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: It was definitely in poor taste. Back to the topic, please.

 

[luiz]

Sure you are. You, luiz, really come to mind when defending composure - Mr quote warrior. It was a slur and maybe in poor taste, I’ll give you that, but you are just creating an off topic straw man like you always do - to posture against. Insincerely. Because you can’t argue the issues, you never could.

When have I not argued the issues?
And I'm always sincere, which is why I'm not exactly beloved in our little Soviet here.

 

[Zardnaar]

Mayor Buttiplug? Last “reliable” poll (A- on 538) was Emerson feb 1st where Ratface polled 15% and Bernie 28%. Edit: There would have been another poll closer to the event but it was recalled at the last minute by request of – you guessed it - the pride of South Bend, the man who a grand total of 11k people ever voted into any office.

Iowa’s now become an unnecessary spectacle that only serves Trump, or a party saviour – I wonder who’s in the wing? It’s so mysterious.

Tom Perez is trying to pose like a credible authority. He is the one who was going to “put a fork” in Bernies Latino vote to help Hillary just before he became head of the DNC (thanks wikileaks). The DNC that gave Hillary veto on press releases and did everything in their dirty powers to rig the primaries last time against Sanders.

He was creeping up around 20% iirc. He overperformed slightly.

Don't need to insult him over being gay. He has more charisma than most of the field and is 30 years younger than his primary rivals.

 

[Ironsided]

Why don’t you state a poll source then? Oh, and I don’t insult him over being gay other than in your head. I was making out with my male friends on the dancefloor in 1993 just to spite the neo-greasers and fratbois. Being gay or bi or queer is secular to me. That’s what time will do to people who wake the fudge up early. Insulting him with Buttiplug is funny just because of the faux outrage. Back to topic? Do you even think Buttihead has a chanse?

 

[Fippy]

Everybody has a chance, i learned this from Donald Trump becoming President of the United States of America.
i had to type that out, felt awful

 

[Ironsided]

Yeah, here’s the current state of democracy you need to save by electing Bernie.

 

[Fippy]

Discuss, i found it interesting.

 

[ThERat]

Oh gosh, my wife is forcing me to watch HRC at Ellen's show. My non existent respect for Ellen has just completely evaporated...

 

[luiz]

Insulting him with Buttiplug is funny just because of the faux outrage. Back to topic? Do you even think Buttihead has a chanse?

Nobody was outraged. I'm more puzzled by this sort of insults thrown around against basically everyone who is not Sanders. Now you say people must vote for Sander to "save democracy".

Why is Sanders attracting such weird worshippers? To be fair to him I don't think he encourages this. He is a grumpy old man and doesn't pretend to be anything else, much to his credit. He doesn't play the messiah wannabe. Yet for you and many others in this thread (bizarrely, many of which are not even Americans), Sanders is clearly the savior and all those who stand in his way, such as "Buttiplug" as you say, deserve to be insulted and demonized. Weird times.

 

[Gorbles]

@Fippy

The impression I get from my social media circles, being a Brit, is that Pelosi is definitely more of a Republican in a lot of ways than Democrat. Certainly more than a Sanders-type of Democrat (insofar that he's one at all). It doesn't surprise me, assuming it's accurate, that Pelosi would endorse such behaviour.

My non existent respect for Ellen has just completely evaporated...

This seems like a bit of a needless oxymoron.

 

[ThERat]

Luiz, people like Sanders cos he is one of the very few politicians, that are genuine, mean what they say, don't change where the wind blows etc. He is also surrounded by really smart, enthusiastic people.
You can say whatever you want, Bernie is USA great chance to finally turn things round. The billionaires have screwed us long enough, together with their bought establishment.

Just wait til he get elected on Nov 3rd. I will enjoy your fury

 

[Socrates99]

There's a laundry list of reasons why Buttigieg is terrible. The fact is a significant portion of the Democrat party are little better than Republicans. The progressives have hated those types of Democrats long before Sanders dipped his toe into party politics in 2015.

 

[luiz]

Luiz, people like Sanders cos he is one of the very few politicians, that are genuine, mean what they say, don't change where the wind blows etc. He is also surrounded by really smart, enthusiastic people.
You can say whatever you want, Bernie is USA great chance to finally turn things round. The billionaires have screwed us long enough, together with their bought establishment.

Just wait til he get elected on Nov 3rd. I will enjoy your fury

Screwed "us"? Don't you live, by your own choice, in the billionaire-friendly tax haven of Singapore? Kinda rich complaining about billionaires screwing people, when you voluntarily move to a country where American billionaires go to dodge taxes.

I'm honest as always. I think rich people should pay more taxes in the US. There are parts of Sanders tax plan that I support. His proposal for personal income tax rates look entirely reasonable to me. I also entirely support increasing the capital gains tax. Other parts of his tax plan are plain stupid, have been tried elsewhere and failed spectacularly. I think he will ultimately harm the US economy somewhat (unlike you I don't think the people who advise him are very bright), but the US economy is a juggernaut and the president has limited power anyway. It's not like he will be elected dictator - he will have to deal with Republicans and establishment Democrats and all the judges these folks named over the decades.

So I won't be "furious" if he is elected. I will remain a rich man who does not live in the US regardless of who is elected there. I can even think of some interesting financial strategies to make some bucks over the uncertainty a Sanders election could generate, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[EgonSpengler]

There's a laundry list of reasons why Buttigieg is terrible. The fact is a significant portion of the Democrat party are little better than Republicans. The progressives have hated those types of Democrats long before Sanders dipped his toe into party politics in 2015.

I remember back in '04, a group of folks I was hanging around with regarded Ralph Nader as their 'compromise' pick. They didn't love him, but he was the one they could live with.

 

[ThERat]

Just because I moved to Singapore due to personal reasons, not cos of a quick buck, doesn't mean I agree with the stuff that goes on here. Singapore is no real democracy and a money laundering heaven. We also enjoy very poor health insurance, for example you got no coverage for drugs and any outpatient treatment. I hate that system. It only works when you are young and healthy.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I remember back in '04, a group of folks I was hanging around with regarded Ralph Nader as their 'compromise' pick. They didn't love him, but he was the one they could live with.

LOLs Nader wasn't a compromise pick. He was a protest pick. Picking a major party nominee that you don't particularly like is a compromise pick.

 

[amadeus]

Why is Sanders attracting such weird worshippers?

He puts the issues into simple terms for his base and then solves them by his own metrics. College debts are bad? Abolish student loans! Big companies make a lot of money and you don't? Tax big companies! Even Huey Long had to deliver on something, but Sanders is the nondenominational Jim Jones of the 21st century. The only saving grace is he won't be in the White House, ever, unless he gets past the fence and manages to sneak into the building.

 

[Ironsided]

I can answer for myself. Making up easy solutions to complex problems is the absolute hallmark of laissez-faire nitwits like you @amadeus

@luiz You seem to speak for everyone else while only speaking about and for yourself - and then we are the weird ones? I look up to Sanders because he is so consistent to his ideals and like Rogan said that is a very strong foundation to operate from as a leader. These ideals also happen to be very reasonable for a progressive like me. I watch all the other the democratic alternatives and they are now all quo options by comparison. I never claimed or aspired to be a leader or authority or talk for others I just take some basic primal enjoyment in ridiculing these other crappy options, if someone else find it funny - great. If you try to project that on Bernie or other supporters - that’s on you.

I care about change because America is instrumental in setting poor standards for a post capitalist world. Mostly I try to argue on the issues and unlike you I try to mainly speak for myself.

Now if you don’t mind sharing some real opinions, what is your best option in America? What is the leader among the available candidates on both sides of the election you want to see play an important international role in 2021 and beyond?

 

[luiz]

The only saving grace is he won't be in the White House, ever, unless he gets past the fence and manages to sneak into the building.

I wouldn't be so sure. A lot of people, myself included, said that about Trump.