2020 US Election (Part One)

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, that means no human would qualify, and only a super computer from those man vs. machine dystopian science fiction franchises would qualify. What a terrifying scenario you weave!

I'm no weaver, I just look at the cloth. "He forgot something! Must be the (highly specific medical term) brain rot, I can diagnose it from here! Disqualified!" seems to be in fashion.

 

[Patine]

I'm no weaver, I just look at the cloth. "He forgot something! Must be the (highly specific medical term) brain rot, I can diagnose it from here! Disqualified!" seems to be in fashion.

Of course, Barry Goldwater was so obsessed with the privacy and personal rights of a Presidential candidate that he made a lawsuit that led to a precedent in the Supreme Court that said candidates cannot have their medical health or competence tested by actual medical professionals against their will. Let's all take a moment to thank Goldwater for going to such efforts of putting the candidates above the nation, people, and good governance.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Of course, Barry Goldwater was so obsessed with the privacy and personal rights of a Presidential candidate that he made a lawsuit that led to a precedent in the Supreme Court that said candidates cannot have their medical health or competence tested by actual medical professionals against their will. Let's all take a moment to thank Goldwater for going to such efforts of putting the candidates above the nation, people, and good governance.

And yet when his party latched onto the medical history of an opposing VP candidate they did not hesitate to broadcast it far and wide to disqualify him.

 

[Zardnaar]

Candidates medical history isn't really anyone's business IMHO.

We elected a pregnant women, she took time off but that what the deputy PM is for.

People would paint a candidates medical record in the worst possible light.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Candidates medical history isn't really anyone's business IMHO.

We elected a pregnant women, she took time off but that what the deputy PM is for.

People would paint a candidates medical record in the worst possible light.

I'm not opposed to a neutral, qualified examiner stating "there is nothing in medical history or apparent in my current examination that indicates this person is not capable of performing the job if elected to do so." Heck, a whole lot of less important jobs require that kind of screening.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm not opposed to a neutral, qualified examiner stating "there is nothing in medical history or apparent in my current examination that indicates this person is not capable of performing the job if elected to do so." Heck, a whole lot of less important jobs require that kind of screening.

Pretty much everywhere has systems in place for the situation discussed.

Hell FDR was sick as a dog.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump still on Adderall?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Pretty much everywhere has systems in place for the situation discussed.

Hell FDR was sick as a dog.

I'm not really sure that "almost everyone" includes the US, actually. As I recall Big Donny Dump was vouched for by an apparently daft guy who signed a report that was delivered to him by the campaign.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm not really sure that "almost everyone" includes the US, actually. As I recall Big Donny Dump was vouched for by an apparently daft guy who signed a report that was delivered to him by the campaign.

USA has the mechanisms in place if Trump becomes incapacitated.

Not asking if Trump's effective or if you like him.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

USA has the mechanisms in place if Trump becomes incapacitated.

Not asking if Trump's effective or if you like him.

I know. I was referring to the pre-hire screening. I don't think we actually have that.

On the "becomes incapacitated" front, that's a strictly political process at the cabinet level. If they want to replace the president with the vice-president, they don't actually need anything from a doctor to do it. If a doctor says "this guy is actually brain dead" they still technically don't have to do it...I don't think.

 

[Patine]

I know. I was referring to the pre-hire screening. I don't think we actually have that.

On the "becomes incapacitated" front, that's a strictly political process at the cabinet level. If they want to replace the president with the vice-president, they don't actually need anything from a doctor to do it. If a doctor says "this guy is actually brain dead" they still technically don't have to do it...I don't think.

So, declaring arbitrary "incapacitation" could theoretically be used as a pretext for a "Cabinet coup?" Like the kind you usually only hear about Cabinets doing in Parliamentary systems (though in those, they don't need to drum up an "incapacitation," façade)?

 

[Zardnaar]

So, declaring arbitrary "incapacitation" could theoretically be used as a pretext for a "Cabinet coup?" Like the kind you usually only hear about Cabinets doing in Parliamentary systems (though in those, they don't need to drum up an "incapacitation," façade)?

Yes. They brought it in if the president was insane or otherwise incapacitated.

 

[bernie14]

Trump still on Adderall?

Judging by his weight, probably not

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So, declaring arbitrary "incapacitation" could theoretically be used as a pretext for a "Cabinet coup?" Like the kind you usually only hear about Cabinets doing in Parliamentary systems (though in those, they don't need to drum up an "incapacitation," façade)?

Yeah, in theory. In practice if that room full of people had it in their collective heads that they wanted the VP to replace a sitting, competent, healthy president it would probably be easier to just kill him.

 

[amadeus]

This is the quality content I come here for, thanks.

I mean your measurement of them is bad. I could easily produce a chart showing how different Trump and Biden are. Charts can be useful for comparing information, but they can also be misleading... like that one.

But if you think both are the same, vote for Trump and be on the WINNING team!

 

[Birdjaguar]

So, declaring arbitrary "incapacitation" could theoretically be used as a pretext for a "Cabinet coup?" Like the kind you usually only hear about Cabinets doing in Parliamentary systems (though in those, they don't need to drum up an "incapacitation," façade)?

25th Amendment? I don't think it has ever been used.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

25th Amendment? I don't think it has ever been used.

When Reagan was shot.

 

[Lexicus]

I also realized from this that if the left is going to push universal healthcare, whether under Medicare for All or some other plan, it needs to be marketed as perfecting/expanding Obamacare, not as, er, "repeal and replace" of Obamacare.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I also realized from this that if the left is going to push universal healthcare, whether under Medicare for All or some other plan, it needs to be marketed as perfecting/expanding Obamacare, not as, er, "repeal and replace" of Obamacare.

I think the path to medicare for all is to install medicare as the public option, then hold onto congress long enough to keep the GOP from screwing it up while medicare puts the competitors out of business.

 

[Zardnaar]

I also realized from this that if the left is going to push universal healthcare, whether under Medicare for All or some other plan, it needs to be marketed as perfecting/expanding Obamacare, not as, er, "repeal and replace" of Obamacare.

They did a decent job in 2018 midterms.

Outsider looking in healthcare seems to be the big issue even across party lines.

With the public not Congresscritter's.