2020 US Election (Part One)

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He told them he'd renegotiate bad trade deals



Obama's far worse, just count the dead bodies left in their wake

Hahahaha hahaha haha ha. Ha. Ok yea go ahead. Sorry.

So how’s that working out so far?

Body counts? Do you have links on Obama’s body counts? Trumps? Pro rate those I guess since we are doing silly comparisons today.
 
He told them he'd renegotiate bad trade deals
And just how is the new MCUSA better than Nafta? What is in the new treaty that improves upon the old? Oh then comes the hard part. Trump has to use his powerful negotiating skills to get it through Congress. But wait! didn't he just say he was done negotiating with congress on any bills?
 
I'm failing to see how that is "adopting Democratic policies" as one of Trump's big things on the campaign trail was about he was going to do the opposite of Democrats and negotiate good trade deals.

You wanted to know how Trump went for moderate Democrats - trade. I'd add illegal immigration too since that suppresses wages.

Hahahaha hahaha haha ha. Ha. Ok yea go ahead. Sorry.

So how’s that working out so far?

Body counts? Do you have links on Obama’s body counts? Trumps? Pro rate those I guess since we are doing silly comparisons today.

Negotiations are ongoing, so we'll find out if we can get a better trade deal. But I've seen enough union reps offer their muted support for the trade war to know Trump cut into traditionally Democratic constituents. As for body counts, are you kidding?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Thats hundreds of thousands and doesn't include refugees or Libya.

And just how is the new MCUSA better than Nafta? What is in the new treaty that improves upon the old? Oh then comes the hard part. Trump has to use his powerful negotiating skills to get it through Congress. But wait! didn't he just say he was done negotiating with congress on any bills?

Why does it matter? I explained how Trump went for moderate Democrats, trade.
 
You wanted to know how Trump went for moderate Democrats - trade. I'd add illegal immigration too since that suppresses wages.



Negotiations are ongoing, so we'll find out if we can get a better trade deal. But I've seen enough union reps offer their muted support for the trade war to know Trump cut into traditionally Democratic constituents. As for body counts, are you kidding?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Thats hundreds of thousands and doesn't include refugees or Libya.

I was never arguing with you that he did cut into democratic union types, just that they were foolish to buy into the lie. Its a "What's the Matter with Kansas?" phenomena and largely describes the foolishness of the US voter in general.

Also you don't get to lay an entire civil war at Obama's feet and claim to be arguing in good faith. He didn't start the Arab Spring and is not responsible for it's casualties (in it's entirety). Let's try to stick with what was actually ordered by Presidents.
 

Gosh, the whole time I was reading that article (which wasn't long because I just stopped reading when he said he was happy with Mitch McConnell in charge of the Senate) I was thinking: "What now? Consider suicide"

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Obama is Trump :crazyeye:

By taking no action on foreclosures and declining to prosecute the bankers, Obama's administration created a standard of lawlessness that directly contributed to the cynicism that led people to vote for Trump.

And incidentally, this is why I'm not satisfied with just putting Biden in instead of Trump. It's not that Biden wouldn't be better in there than Trump, it's that Biden's politics is what gives us Trumps and I'm sick of it.
 
Right? Obama codified the Bush tax cuts which were set to sunset, opened up the arctic to drilling, turned 2 wars into 8, he was known as the deporter in chief because he deported more illegals in his first term than Bush did in eight years, etc. There just isn't much difference.

I mean there are currently videos of Biden hating on immigrants, touting votes for a border wall and bragging about his crime bill. There just is not enough difference between the two parties to justify any real voter turnout.

People vote out of civic duty but otherwise, fudge it.
This is off base. Regardless of the differences in parties, Trump himself is highly different. That alone is likely to drive turnout unless he seems to be unbeatable. Since taht is a distinct possibility, turnout could be smaller than recent elections.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Obama is Trump :crazyeye:
I can see why you saved the crazy eye for the last line. It's much more bizarre than the others.

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Because he was black and they knew their voters cared about that even assuming they didn't personally.
 
Thank Harry Reid for that. It was all tactics.

J
think 'Harry Reid' with the 'intelligence community has six ways to Sunday ' quote... little did he know that the USA intelligence community has six ways to Sunday of ...

the Swamp thought getting Trump as POTUS was their worst nightmare... they were right... for once

www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/harry-reid-trump-fake-briefings_n_57991916e4b01180b5317f6e?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmN

to the CIA...
"I would hope they would give him fake intelligence briefings, because they shouldn't give him anything that means anything because you can't trust him," Reid said to reporters after an event before the Nevada Democratic delegation. "He can have intelligence briefings, but I hope they're fake. I hope that they don't tell him anything."
 
This is awesome:

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Also you don't get to lay an entire civil war at Obama's feet and claim to be arguing in good faith. He didn't start the Arab Spring and is not responsible for it's casualties (in it's entirety). Let's try to stick with what was actually ordered by Presidents.

I didn't make either claim. "In its entirety"? We were arming terrorists, we wanted a civil war to overthrow Assad. Yes, lets stick to what Obama ordered. He ordered wars in Libya and Syria and he is largely responsible for the results. If the results were good then he'd get applause for his skillful 'diplomacy'. Same thing for Bush if Iraq turned out great. When things go south they get jeered.
 
You seem to think Libya and Syria were all up to the American President alone. When in reality, he was only reacting to local developments there in an international context. Evidence points to the Europeans (French) being in the leading role for the bombings in Libya and Syria is a very convoluted area involving the Iranians and Saudis and on a second level the Turks, the Kurds, the Islamists, the Israeli, the Europeans and the Russians. The American President is an important player here, but it‘s not up to him alone to „start or finish the war“ there. That‘s Diplomacy for you.

The arming of the Free Syrian Army was done in cooperation with all Western forces. It‘s logical that the US contributes the most because they want to for reasons of their own Military-Industrial-complex. Being the capitalistic world dominator means you make sure that it is your own weapons that are used (and have to be bought). Just recently, the Americans forbid an Israeli company to sell a specific weapon to Switzerland (and I think Poland as well) to make sure that those militaries bought the US-american equivalent. I just want to show that the whole story is more complex than „the POTUS decides“. (Rant over)
 
You seem to think Libya and Syria were all up to the American President alone. When in reality, he was only reacting to local developments there in an international context. Evidence points to the Europeans (French) being in the leading role for the bombings in Libya and Syria is a very convoluted area involving the Iranians and Saudis and on a second level the Turks, the Kurds, the Islamists, the Israeli, the Europeans and the Russians. The American President is an important player here, but it‘s not up to him alone to „start or finish the war“ there. That‘s Diplomacy for you.

The arming of the Free Syrian Army was done in cooperation with all Western forces. It‘s logical that the US contributes the most because they want to for reasons of their own Military-Industrial-complex. Being the capitalistic world dominator means you make sure that it is your own weapons that are used (and have to be bought). Just recently, the Americans forbid an Israeli company to sell a specific weapon to Switzerland (and I think Poland as well) to make sure that those militaries bought the US-american equivalent. I just want to show that the whole story is more complex than „the POTUS decides“. (Rant over)

There is no defense for Obama getting involved in those two wars. He was voted to change things, including not bomb stuff or warmonger.
A pity, because he could have allowed for a better potus to come.
 
We were arming terrorists,

They were unarmed civilians peacefully protesting for democracy. Assad labled them "terrorists" and ordered his troops to shoot them

Obama... ordered wars in Libya and Syria .
It was the Europeans who were appalled by the ongoing bloodbath in Libya and intervened. The US supplied planes for 2-3 days to enforced a no-fly rule.

In Syria, the US sought to deescalate the conflict, first by give no support. later only non-lethal support, and finally when Assad's troops kept targeting civilians, the US supplied some weapons to the democrat forces.
 
There is no defense for Obama getting involved in those two wars. He was voted to change things, including not bomb stuff or warmonger.

His two campaign promises were to pull out of Iraq in accordance with Iraqi directives and to serge troops into Afghanistan, whiich was in danger of once again falling to the Taliban.
 
It‘s logical that the US contributes the most because they want to for reasons of their own Military-Industrial-complex. Being the capitalistic world dominator means you make sure that it is your own weapons that are used (and have to be bought).

Why does peoples' cynicism about the vicious ulterior motives and general incompetence of the government go away once they start talking about things like single payer health care, or regulating business?
 
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