Zardnaar
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This not American but would volte for any of them over Trump.
2020 US Election (Part One)
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This not American but would volte for any of them over Trump.
Berzerker
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If the media was in the habit of ignoring the Democrats why tell them to promote Trump? You think media bias is a conspiracy theory? Other than 2-3 people who've identified their affiliation I dont know who here are Democrats or not, but when I say something about the Democrats I'm usually referring to politicians and pundits and assorted policy makers. Depends on the context of course, in this case the Democrats are the Clinton campaign and DNC who wrote these memos detailing their strategy.
Zardnaar
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Media generally is slightly biased against the GoP because most journalists have had tertiary level education and aren't race baiting hard right douchebags even if they are conservative or skew right if center.
The ones that are tend to be on fox news, beitbart etc.
The ones that are tend to be on fox news, beitbart etc.
Cloud_Strife
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American media refuses to hold the GOP accountable for years of their **** as well as their dehumanizing stances and policies
Lexicus
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I'm not sure if the media could actually be biased against the GOP: there is no portrayal of them that could make them out to be worse than they are in reality.
Cloud_Strife
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Except that these "outlets" are so beholden to centrist lies and dogma that they effectively espouse the "both sides" fallacy.
The GOP is a party of ghouls and those that support them materially, politically and in any other form are also ghouls or ghoul enablers. They want people like me to die, to suffer without healthcare, to just disappear, nevermind their stances on the poor, non-whites, women, etc. There is no redeeming qualities about the GOP, nothing but their wholesale destruction can even begin to undo the damage they've caused economically, politically, socially and nationally. The inhumanity of that party should be shoved in the faces of their enablers each and everytime they step outside their doors but would it even matter now, they already defend the indefensible, their humanity has been compromised, you can see it in their dull, glassy, lifeless eyes.
There's just nothing there and i'm sick of being told by the media and people in here that i should respect these people when they think it's okay to make my life worse and continue to drag us down with their delusional, magical thinking.
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I'd prefer the phrase non-biased reporting of the facts.
This should be the goal of all media. But I realize that ended many years ago.
Cloud_Strife
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Mate, if you think these outlets are actually interested in a "non-biased reporting of the facts" I've got a bridge in new york to sell you!
All they do is double down on capitalism, attack socialism and enable the current paradigm, nevermind the fact that it is the media in the first place that enabled Trump and the GOP to get to this point.
All they do is double down on capitalism, attack socialism and enable the current paradigm, nevermind the fact that it is the media in the first place that enabled Trump and the GOP to get to this point.
IT used to be better. (old man rant) There used to be a clear line between reporting the news and opinion. That line has dissolved.
I have no problem with opinion as long as it's clearly labeled opinion. That's free speech.
It's when opinion is used to cloud the facts without it specifically being identified as such, that I have a problem.
I have no problem with opinion as long as it's clearly labeled opinion. That's free speech.
It's when opinion is used to cloud the facts without it specifically being identified as such, that I have a problem.
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The AP is still largely acceptable at what it does. But the money is in mentally challenged internet news consumers anger porn clicking, not in AP wires to local newspapers. So yes, everyone's smeary disease riddled sphincter of an opinion takes up a larger share of news, relatively.
If it's any comfort, you could Remember the Maine.
If it's any comfort, you could Remember the Maine.
Cloud_Strife
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It's 2+ years into a deeply corrupt, inhumane Trump Junta and the press are only NOW beginning to realize what the rest of us knew before day 1. It's not good enough and it's too late, they are complicit in this mess and their desire for decorum and "bothsides" has utterly ruined this country.
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They are also terrified of him and his base campaigning against them in primaries. He's already shown a willingness and ability to nuke the campaigns of stray Republicans who fail to pay him sufficient homage. That has kept a lot of them in line and forced a huge chunk of them to retire to avoid fighting him. The party is shrinking and getting more hardcore insane as it does so. Unfortunately, due to rampant gerrymandering and the very nature of our federal system, that shrinking party can continue to pull in an outsize share of electoral wins until they are hit with a massive tide-changing election. 2018 should have been a complete wipeout in both houses, except the Dems got 30% less seats than the GOP did in 2010 despite a 50% larger vote margin due to gerrymandering and the Senate didn't flip thanks to federalism. I don't think 2020 will flip the Senate or even increase the Democratic hold on the House for these reasons. Anything less than total control of the Congress and Presidency by the Dems will give the GOP more time to dig in like ticks and subvert the rule of law and our elections
The entirety of Orange County California flipped to the Dems which hasn't happened in forever, and some of the reps are outright progressives like my own. This is a pretty crazy sign of the rejection of the GOP by the non-insane electorate but as someone else pointed out, it doesn't help that much that these districts seem to only be flipping in solidly blue states.
Trump also ran attack ads calling Hillary a crook, and Hillary did have policy-based ads. I'm not defending her campaign as much as trying to point out that the picture you painted isn't entirely accurate. A lot of what Trump & Co put out ad-wise was garbage attack ads on her personality and accusing her of malfeasance.
I hope the most ardently left-wing voters feel the same and don't vote 3rd party or sit out the election if we do wind up with a Biden on the ticket.
Lexicus
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Well these are the people who think God struck down Elijah Cummings for opposing Trump so be warned. Frequenting this hot bed of non-rightwing people may have consequences.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/a-...illed-elijah-cummings-for-messing-with-trump/
Cloud_Strife
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These people are sick, they are ill.
Lexicus
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The real point is it's unlikely that Republicans in the Senate will move without a major movement of Trump's base of voters, and that doesn't look like it's in the cards, so we'll have to get him out by voting him out. Procedural fix will not work for this political problem.
Something that strikes me about this is... from the perspective of these voters... what really, is their alternative? Putting myself in their shoes, I come up with a basis of comparison I'm acutely familiar with... black voters.
I hear all the time about the corruption of the Democrats, the moderate Democrats neoliberalism, and establishment pro-donor-class, pro-status-quo policies, they support the wealthy, banker class not the poor, on and on, etc. But what are black voters supposed to do? Vote for the Republicans? Vote for the party that houses the klan and the other folks in the contry who revile and despise them? Nope, gotta stick with the Democrats.
So I can appreciate how asking a lot of Trump's supporters to vote for Democrats, who they see as ivory-tower liberal elites who revile and despise them and everything about their way of life... is a pretty big ask... absurd even. I have no solution, just thinking out loud here, but that seems to be the situation.
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