2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Patine]

I know but for the most part they fought a conventional war.

Makes surrendering easier espicially if your whole unit surrenders. Guerilla warfare tends to get very dirty. They don't fight conventionally so soldiers aren't that inclined to take prisoners.

But sovereign, recognized nations use guerilla warfare today. This is one of the biggest reason that, despite the huge, overbloated military budgets and high-tech equipment, nations like the U.S., UK, France, Israel, the Soviet Union/Russia, and China have such pitiful victory records in terms of wars won in the post-WW2 era (only a tiny minority of those wars fought by any of those nations in the post-WW2 can credibly or sanely be called victories). The use of guerilla warfare today, and the general lack of it's use in the U.S. Civil War has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the "legitimacy," of nationhood or whether their armed forces were considered militaries or insurgencies, but ENTIRELY to do with the changes in the general nature of warfare across the board between then and today. Your point there is utterly trounced.

 

[Zardnaar]

But sovereign, recognized nations use guerilla warfare today. This is one of the biggest reason that, despite the huge, overbloated military budgets and high-tech equipment, nations like the U.S., UK, France, Israel, the Soviet Union/Russia, and China have such pitiful victory records in terms of wars won in the post-WW2 era (only a tiny minority of those wars fought by any of those nations in the post-WW2 can credibly or sanely be called victories). The use of guerilla warfare today, and the general lack of it's use in the U.S. Civil War has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the "legitimacy," of nationhood or whether their armed forces were considered militaries or insurgencies, but ENTIRELY to do with the changes in the general nature of warfare across the board between then and today. Your point there is utterly trounced.

You don't have to be recognized to get PoW status according to the geneva convention.

In practice though it really depends on the situation if troops in the field decide to take you prisoner.

If your unit surrenders it's fairly safe, if you try to surrender on the battlefield it's a crapshoot.

 

[Socrates99]

But sovereign, recognized nations use guerilla warfare today. This is one of the biggest reason that, despite the huge, overbloated military budgets and high-tech equipment, nations like the U.S., UK, France, Israel, the Soviet Union/Russia, and China have such pitiful victory records in terms of wars won in the post-WW2 era (only a tiny minority of those wars fought by any of those nations in the post-WW2 can credibly or sanely be called victories). The use of guerilla warfare today, and the general lack of it's use in the U.S. Civil War has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the "legitimacy," of nationhood or whether their armed forces were considered militaries or insurgencies, but ENTIRELY to do with the changes in the general nature of warfare across the board between then and today. Your point there is utterly trounced.

...and why the US has about zero chance of success in either Iran or NK. We need to come to terms with that.

 

[Patine]

...and why the US has about zero chance of success in either Iran or NK. We need to come to terms with that.

Oh, yes, indeed. That is why, on any credible and well-researched, and not pure propaganda piece by one major nation or another, list of the 50 greatest military geniuses of all time, the only one who tends to appear in the post-WW2 era is Võ Nguyên Giáp. He changed warfare between highly asymmetric powers forever!

 

[r16]

Progressive policy ice cream – as sold by Joe and the DNC.

won't watch videos in general but you gotta be aware of any icecream seller with the word Maraş around . They have tradition of showing the "strenght" of their product which won't leave until they give up and turn it to you . Once ı saw on TV , a column of ice cream , weighing maybe a ton , lifted by a crane and it remaining in one piece . Then someguy came and cut pieces by a chain saw . lt is not racism , it would still happen if you were a German fashion model blonde .

 

[Zardnaar]

Oh, yes, indeed. That is why, on any credible and well-researched, and not pure propaganda piece by one major nation or another, list of the 50 greatest military geniuses of all time, the only one who tends to appear in the post-WW2 era is Võ Nguyên Giáp.

He's good, studied him at uni.

 

[Kyriakos]

Will there be a Trump-Biden debate? (heard that there would be one?)
If so, lasting how many hours?

Still fear that Biden isn't really in a good position to debate a hostile (Bernie was a friend and didn't push him much).
But if this takes place using long-distance connections, it will be easier to control.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Will there be a Trump-Biden debate? (heard that there would be one?)
If so, lasting how many hours?

Still fear that Biden isn't really in a good position to debate a hostile (Bernie was a friend and didn't push him much).
But if this takes place using long-distance connections, it will be easier to control.

I think they are scheduled for three but there may still be some questions about logistics being worked out. I assume they are the standard 1.5 hour format.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

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[Zkribbler]

Still fear that Biden isn't really in a good position to debate a hostile

Biden will take Trump apart the same way he took Ryan apart in the 2012 VP debate.

 

[Commodore]

Biden will take Trump apart the same way he took Ryan apart in the 2012 VP debate.

Biden didn't have dementia and could still form coherent sentences and thoughts in 2012. I mean seriously, the only time Biden speaks coherently now is when he is reading prepared statements from a teleprompter. That's why the Democrats don't want these debates to take place. Biden won't have his teleprompter to bail him out.

 

[Phrossack]

The Dems have nothing to gain from debates. They won't sway anyone, since Trump supporters will say Trump won no matter what. There aren't many actually undecided people. Biden supporters could be discouraged by poor performance.

 

[cardgame]

Biden will take Trump apart the same way he took Ryan apart in the 2012 VP debate.

Biden could body-slam Trump unconscious and the cultists would say Trump won the fight

 

[El_Machinae]

It is weird that so many people hear a coherent message when Trump speaks. I've never been able to crack it.

When listening to either Biden or Trump, they're only tolerable at 1.25x speed

 

[Berzerker]

Biden didn't have dementia and could still form coherent sentences and thoughts in 2012. I mean seriously, the only time Biden speaks coherently now is when he is reading prepared statements from a teleprompter. That's why the Democrats don't want these debates to take place. Biden won't have his teleprompter to bail him out.

Biden did a decent job in a debate with Bernie

 

[Patine]

Biden didn't have dementia and could still form coherent sentences and thoughts in 2012. I mean seriously, the only time Biden speaks coherently now is when he is reading prepared statements from a teleprompter. That's why the Democrats don't want these debates to take place. Biden won't have his teleprompter to bail him out.

Haven't any of you of you noticed Trump isn't exactly coherent when he speaks either. Then again, by the way most of this forum speaks of him, most of you must just play dubs of Hitler, Stalin, and David Duke speeches over Trump speeches as it is, so many of you may not have noticed his rambling and disjointed screeds.

 

[Berzerker]

its gonna be fun watching them debate, but sadly time limits will cut down on their rambling.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The Dems have nothing to gain from debates. They won't sway anyone, since Trump supporters will say Trump won no matter what. There aren't many actually undecided people. Biden supporters could be discouraged by poor performance.

I think Trump's best play would be to just talk for the full hour and a half on whatever stream of consciousness crossed his mind, shouting down Biden and the moderators along the way. Then when everyone backed out of the following debates he could claim Biden had been beaten so badly he was afraid of the rematch and the fake news was lying about how great he had done in the first one. His faithful would buy every bit of it.

 

[Zardnaar]

Someone may like this.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...-the-wreckage-of-trumps-gop?intcid=inline_amp

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Someone may like this.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...-the-wreckage-of-trumps-gop?intcid=inline_amp

That interview is brilliant. I love strategists. They just know so much more about how to make sense than the ideological spewers.