2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Kyriakos]

Why weren't the green part on the original ballots? Did they not meet some criteria?
Iirc they got a considerable number of votes there in the previous election.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Okay dude, you can pretend you didn't specifically say I was in denial about who started the camps. Anyone can read what you actually said though so I'm not sure many people will find it credible.

Women are literally beng steralized in these camps on the basis of their ethnicity and undesirability and Patine still wants to pretend that fascism hasn't already descended upon America

 

[El_Machinae]

That's one of those headlines where I will wait where there's more than just one whistleblower before forwarding it as fact

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Why weren't the green part on the original ballots? Did they not meet some criteria?
Iirc they got a considerable number of votes there in the previous election.

Yeah, they didn't get enough for automatic placement on the ballot. Then they screwed up during the petition process.

The GOP funded a lawsuit to get them added to the ballot anyway, which has absolutely no legal basis because the rules are pretty clearly laid out. The real purpose of the lawsuit is that until it is resolved the vote by mail ballots can't be mailed out. It's just a delaying tactic to screw up vote by mail.

Of course the truth doesn't fit Berzerker's "evil Democrat" narrative as parroted from whatever right wing nonsense source he picked this one up from.

 

[Patine]

Women are literally beng steralized in these camps on the basis of their ethnicity and undesirability and Patine still wants to pretend that fascism hasn't already descended upon America

There's an election coming up with an actual opposition party with a chance of winning, news media in the U.S. consists of more than just one, state-controlled network, we're able to discuss this freely on the Internet, and you're alive and able to walk the streets at all @Cloud_Strife. So, yes, I'd say Fascism has not descended upon American. Like I told @Cutlass recently, Americans, EVEN ones of "marginalized demographics," have no idea just how good they have it compared to the great majority of the world, and wouldn't have any idea AT ALL what REAL Fascism even is or means! All of you here who bring up constantly your braindead cries of "Fascists and Nazis have taken over America," disgust me - because none of you have any idea, AT ALL, what you're talking about!

 

[Kyriakos]

I think that any party which is known to have a sizable number of voters, should be on the ballot. In most countries there isn't even this requirement - cause it doesn't matter if you are on the ballot, it matters if people actually vote for you.
The green party would take some votes, judging by how it did four years ago against very similar republican and democrat candidates.

This rather ridiculous talk-show host openly accuses the green party of being a sidekick of the republican party:

One has to suppose those planning to vote green will just stay home, so no gain for the Dnc or Biden.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

There's an election coming up with an actual opposition party with a chance of winning, news media in the U.S. consists of more than just one, state-controlled network, we're able to discuss this freely on the Internet, and you're alive and able to walk the streets at all @Cloud_Strife. So, yes, I'd say Fascism has not descended upon American. Like I told @Cutlass recently, Americans, EVEN ones of "marginalized demographics," have no idea just how good they have it compared to the great majority of the world, and wouldn't have any idea AT ALL what REAL Fascism even is or means! All of you here who bring up constantly your braindead cries of "Fascists and Nazis have taken over America," disgust me - because none of you have any idea, AT ALL, what you're talking about!

you need to have a bong or something mate you're uptight

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think that any party which is known to have a sizable number of voters, should be on the ballot.

Agreed. Legal rules can't just use "a sizable number of voters" though. There's usually a reference to the previous election, like "any party who's candidate received more than 5% of the vote in the previous election" and then a "any party can petition to be on the ballot by collecting X number of signatures...." with all the process for collecting signatures spelled out. Like most things when they get spelled out in law, it's pretty cut and dry.

 

[Patine]

you need to have a bong or something mate you're uptight

You need a sense of perspective, proportion, and reality, to stop referring to people in absolutist bloc demographic terms (the very same way far-right-wing movements refer to people, in fact), and start referring to, and viewing, them as individual people, and you need to do real and respectable research on incendiary historical socio-political terms before spamming them inappropriately and irresponsibly. And, for my part, I don't indulge in recreation psychoactive active - except caffeine, I admit - and no person who values clarity of thought and freedom from the clutches of life-destroying addiction should ever.

 

[RobAnybody]

When part of the entrance exam to run for President is "show up at X location on Y date by Z time" & you can't even pull that off, you fail the entrance exam IMO.

 

[Lexicus]

You need a sense of perspective, proportion, and reality, to stop referring to people in absolutist bloc demographic terms (the very same way far-right-wing movements refer to people, in fact), and start referring to, and viewing, them as individual people, and you need to do real and respectable research on incendiary historical socio-political terms before spamming them inappropriately and irresponsibly. And, for my part, I don't indulge in recreation psychoactive active - except caffeine, I admit - and no person who values clarity of thought and freedom from the clutches of life-destroying addiction should ever.

Actually @Cloud_Strife referred to forced sterilization of women in concentration camps as fascism, not to any people as fascists.

 

[Zardnaar]

Actually @Cloud_Strife referred to forced sterilization of women in concentration camps as fascism, not to any people as fascists.

That's not really a signature thing of fascism though.

 

[Hrothbern]

First time in 175 year:

Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly.
The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/

 

[Patine]

Actually @Cloud_Strife referred to forced sterilization of women in concentration camps as fascism, not to any people as fascists.

Forced sterilization of women is, while vile and irreprehensible, not specifically a Fascist policy (not every vile, irreprehensible, monstrous, and horrid policy is specifically Fascist, it might surprise you to learn). In fact, forced sterilization of women - and men - diagnosed with mentally challenged status (still called the "r-word," back then) and mental illnesses (still called "insane," and "lunatic," back then) under JFK and LBJ (though it started under Eisenhower and also was carried on by Nixon, but all four Administrations had a hand in it) - the same JFK and LBJ whose Administrations launched the real start as a real force in American politics and society of the Civil Rights Movement.

 

[onejayhawk]

First time in 175 year:

More journalists against Trump. Color me unimpressed.

One explanation for the people who support Trump regardless of what he says and does is their hatred of liberals. As long as he espouses those views they don't care about anything else. That actually makes sense as the unifying factor among all those "disgusting" people. They love Rush too, because he hates liberals.

There is something to this, but it's only a small corner of the picture. If you said resent rather than hate, you would be much closer. Liberals have been trying to cow conservatives into silence for over a generation. They love Rush because he defends them and gives them a voice.

Since the turn of the century, the Democratic party has turned increasingly to identity politic in preference to class politics. One upshot has been an increased willingness to label any dissenting voice as racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, deplorable, etc. Many, if not the majority, of these characterizations are unwarranted and in most cases hypocritical. To this day, I doubt Hillary understands how hypocritical she is.

The natural result is an opposition candidate that refused to be silenced and who returned the scorn in the manner it was given. So, most of the die hard Trump supporters are loyal because he stood up to the bully when they couldn't.

There is another large group who support Trump because they approve of the job his administration has done. They may dislike the mannerisms, but love the results. This group tends to be where the so-called shy support is found.

J

 

[RobAnybody]

Oh, [poop], we are [sexed].
RBG RIP
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/1003...nsburg-champion-of-gender-equality-dies-at-87

 

[Phrossack]

Oh, [poop], we are [sexed].
RBG RIP
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/1003...nsburg-champion-of-gender-equality-dies-at-87

The civil war gets one step closer.

Either that, or one-party rule.

 

[Ajidica]

oh god please no make it stop

At least I can take grim pleasure in seeing McConnell talk about how important it is that we confirm a justice right now in an election year.

 

[mitsho]

... which then gives Biden enough arguments why appointing Merrick Garland and someone else isn't a partisan hack. Oh no, he'd need to appoint more, right?

...

 

[Patine]

The civil war gets one step closer.

Either that, or one-party rule.

Time for you (and everyone else on this forum) to get their news from media outlets that AREN'T American based, run, and owned. The sensationalist, incendiary, fire-spitting, yellow-journalism-dominated, blatantly and undisguidedly partisan (of one major U.S. party or another) slanted, exaggerated, manipulative, emotionally-playing, and, at times, even outright lying U.S. media of the last almost two decades (since about the retirement of Walter Cronkite) has sunk so low and become such a cesspool you'd never know if you watched it - any American news outlets with any regularity - that we actually live, today, in, RELATIVELY speaking, the safest, most tolerant, and most peaceful time period in recorded world history. The constant apocalyptic, doomsday forecast and fear, panic, and rage-mongering just to make sails and up ratings by all these American "news," (the parentheses are used advisedly) outlets SHOULD be a crime that would them ALL off the air, out of print, and offline, frankly, because they produce completely unfounded posts like yours, and tonnes of others on these forums and across the Internet, and the motions behind them, that are just not at all justified.