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I don't know why this had to get personal either.
2020 US Election (Part Two)
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Timsup2nothin
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It's all @Ironsided has left. Candidate got stomped. Predictions all went sideways. It's either get on board or get embittered and nasty, and we see which option has been chosen.
I don't think it really matters who the Democrat candidate is anymore.
For some time all the attention is going to be on covid-19 and how Trump handles it.
That will win or lose the election for him.
Which puts those of us who want him to lose in a bit of a quandary.
For some time all the attention is going to be on covid-19 and how Trump handles it.
That will win or lose the election for him.
Which puts those of us who want him to lose in a bit of a quandary.
OK. So what do you want/expect us to do about it? It really seems like you're trying to convince folks of something or to take some action, but I can't figure out what that might be. What is your goal here? Is it just to vent your displeasure at Biden being the frontrunner or to mock him for a bit of personal catharsis? Or maybe you want to get your prediction that Biden will lose on the record for bragging rights/I-told-you-so's later?
Any or all of those are fine by me BTW... although I will say that in terms of getting your prediction on the record for bragging rights... you've certainly already done that plenty. I don't think that anyone is going to claim later that you didn't say it. So I'm thinking there has to be some other reason for you to keep repeating it. Again, I'm not trying to discourage you from stating your opinions, I'm honestly just curious about what your thought process is here. I'm 100% clear that you don't think Biden can win, but I'm not as clear whether you're trying to convince others... and toward what end... or if you have some other motivation?
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The media has improvised a new approach. They may be able to shift all the leadership credit for managing the crisis to another person, like Cuomo.
Perhaps he thinks that if he repeats it enough times Biden will go away. 
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You mean, like actually giving leadership credit to people who are leading?
I'm not really sitting on a particular position here, but as a Brit, the UK 2019 election result featured prominent scaremongering and an anti-Labour media (studies were done on negative articles per party - Labour came out way on top). This comparison isn't as helpful as you think it are.
There are a lot of factors at play here. Biden might be the only candidate going now, but that doesn't mean people can't be critical or even hostile. I don't get the pervasive opinion here (not directed at you Igloo, more in general) that's incredibly bullish or outright dismissive of any criticism of Biden, or the platform that seems keen to run him. It's part of why I haven't bothered talking much, not least because we all have worse problems going on too. Just spectating, mostly.
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Perhaps he thinks that if he repeats it enough times Biden will go away.
If you say his name three times...
Oh, wait. No, that's summoning...
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My remark wasn't an invitation to display precisely the behavior I was describing, but I do appreciate it.
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I think you are mistaking pushback for support.
I don't think many posters here who defend Biden do so out of any great love for him or his policies. Most of the Biden defenses come about in response to hyperbolic vitriol and personal attacks.
I have a few UK friends/colleagues who felt that Corbyn got hammered with a false portrayal of his antisemitism and pro-IRA history. Replace that with Bernie's pro-Communist history and I submit that it is indeed a helpful comparison.
Certainly people can be critical or hostile, but if they get personal about it - as IronSided did - then I personally have little difficulty casually dismissing their points.
I want Trump to lose, but for me there is no quandary. Trump losing the election isn't worth tens of thousands of people dying from coronavirus.
The other thing is... I'm not sure that there is even such a correlation/connection. I mean he's already completely botched the covid-19 resonse and I'm not sure it has lost him any of his supporters. I don't know that he can do anything worse than what he has already done that will have any significant impact on his supporters staying with him. All he has to do it seems is keep telling people what they want to hear... which is that the crisis is overblown, things will be back to normal soon, nothing to worry about, a cure is on the way... and so on.
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Trump's "leadership" in this situation is best described as 'bratty child makes a break for it based on his whimsical interpretation of reality.' There are genuine experts in the field. Trump ignores them and acts based on his fantasies. The experts don't join in his fantasies, he has tantrums and breaks away from them. He is about to start running blindly, quite likely into danger. Unfortunately, unlike the bratty child darting into traffic, the lives Trump's behavior will cost aren't going to be his own.
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Corbyn and Sanders share a lot of similarities in policy, values and being honourable and honest men. Corbyn lost lots of the working class of his party giving in to the more liberal party establishment often referred to as Blairites and posh Labour on one issue in particular - Brexit. Sanders does not have a similar situation. One could easily argue Biden would be the establishment caving option in America. And a more corrupt establishment to cave to by comparison.
No need to take it personal, just ignore. I never address you unless you address me or like posts personally directed at me. You are not a victim of personal attacks when you are constantly weighing in. You are however a coward for using that smarmy argument. That goes for igloodude as well.
Perhaps he thinks that if he repeats it enough times Biden will go away.
No BJ, when I argue with you and Tim which is the original argument, I’m arguing with people who actively support the party shenanigans and Biden as the best candidate. And while the race is supposedly over in the media. It’s still ongoing. Bernie is still an option to vote for in all the remaining states and by far the superior choice.
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I'm a coward for asking a question? Noice
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I'm not pulling for tens of thousands dead...but there is very likely going to be. I'm also not pulling for economic devastation...but there is very likely going to be. When there is one, or the other, or both, I think it will finally provide something that Trump can't lie his way out of, even with some portion of his ardent believers. That won't make the death and devastation worthwhile, but since nothing is going to change the death and devastation we might as well get some sort of benefit along with it.
Its also obvious that whatever good results from the response, Trump will take credit for and claim it was totally his idea from the beginning. Its equally obvious that any negative effects will be blamed on Democrats and or anyone else he has conveniently at hand.
Hmmm... I have never supported the DNC and how it does things. I have been a strident never Trumper for three years. I don't care who is the Democratic nominee. Bernie hasn't conceded yet, but I am pretty sure it is coming. NM hasn't had its primary and that is now in doubt. In any case, the math puts Bernie effort into the "not likely" category.
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