Gori the Grey
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I do. But that doesn't mean the craziness will end then.
2020 US Election (Part Two)
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I do. But that doesn't mean the craziness will end then.
Republicans have said Russia sucks too.
I think the lions share of the public downplaying has been by Trump. He's wrapped both arms around Putin and spoken very favourably about Russia. Its actually odd that his outright approval rating there is so low, given how nice he's been to them and their leader. From the looks of the graph, it's not so much that Russians like Trump, as much as it is that they dislike him less than other countries, and they are the only country that rated him more favorably than Biden.
No way its called by 1AM... but if it is called on election night it would have to be an incontrovertible Biden landslide. Biden would have to win Texas or Florida, or Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Ohio for them to call it election night.
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People who break the rhetorical and ideological consensus, no matter how flawed and wrong-headed it may be, and in what ways, to challenge, question, show concern for, call to task, or point out glaring flaws in it, are usually unpopular with those who tow the consensus line. History shows that all the time. But, such dissenters from the consensus are usually from among which the leaders, ideologues, visionaries, and the scientists who prove old ideas wrong are drawn - almost never from those who cling to the consensus.
aelf
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But Marxists are evil neo-manicheans, amirite?
According to 538, Biden is currently behind by 3% in Texas, behind 2% in Ohio and tied in Iowa. He's actually leading in Georgia by less than 1%.
Under normal circumstances, Biden winning Ohio would end the night, especially given the "No Republican has ever won without winning Ohio" factoid out there. When Obama won Ohio, Karl rove lost his mind live on-air and ordered Megan Kelly off the anchor desk to go tell the analysts to rescind their call of Ohio.
However under the current climate, I don't think Ohio alone would be enough. Georgia might be. Texas or Florida definitely would.
Under normal circumstances, Biden winning Ohio would end the night, especially given the "No Republican has ever won without winning Ohio" factoid out there. When Obama won Ohio, Karl rove lost his mind live on-air and ordered Megan Kelly off the anchor desk to go tell the analysts to rescind their call of Ohio.
However under the current climate, I don't think Ohio alone would be enough. Georgia might be. Texas or Florida definitely would.
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One of the first things he did after coming into office was retrofit Patriots into ballistic missile silos all along the East European border. He's also imposed further sanctions on Russia, fudged them over more than once.
They hate Trump and have a ton of good reasons for it. It's just the alternative might as well be calling for a Russian Holocaust, so they obviously like him even less.
Vietnam loves Trump. It's not like they care a single bit about who he is or what he's done in the US, but he's actively anti-Chinese and that's the best thing you can be in their book. The fact his practices called for the migration of capital from China to Vietnam is a cherry on top. So I can't agree with Russia of all places having the highest opinion of Trump worldwide. There are places which actually adore the guy.
Lexicus
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Touché.
What makes it such a high bar is that he has to be winning convincingly in these states, convincingly enough to overcome the very large bias toward Republicans in the votes that will be counted first.
I don't think he can come close to doing that. I hope I'm wrong.
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People react surprised at this quote. I don't understand why. Just the fact they have been holding packed superspreader events as often as they can would be a dead give away they don't care about the health or lives of the people attending them.
People react surprised at this quote. I don't understand why. Just the fact they have been holding packed superspreader events as often as they can would be a dead give away they don't care about the health or lives of the people attending them.
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Ballot tracking software tells me my ballot has left the post office & I shall receive it shortly...but it doesn't say which post office. The L.A. post office? Manila post office? Tagbilaran post office? Garcia post office? My best guess is that my ballot made it as far as Manila where it has gotten bogged down in the covid fiasco. 
There's still a chance. California law only requires I have it post marked by election day. My Garcia post office does not post mark outgoing mail. and so this means on Tuesday. I'll need to travel to Tag.
Intellectually, I realize my single vote is meaningless. My voting address is in the bluest part of the bluest city of the bluest state. It's obvious how my elector will be voting.
Emotionally though, I would like the satisfaction of kicking Herr Trump in the shin.
There's still a chance. California law only requires I have it post marked by election day. My Garcia post office does not post mark outgoing mail. and so this means on Tuesday. I'll need to travel to Tag.
Intellectually, I realize my single vote is meaningless. My voting address is in the bluest part of the bluest city of the bluest state. It's obvious how my elector will be voting.
Emotionally though, I would like the satisfaction of kicking Herr Trump in the shin.
Biden is certainly lucky that covid happened, in this too: can you imagine him trying to get a packed event?
And he still isn't certain to win, even with covid in his team.
Edmund Ironside
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Biden is certainly lucky that covid happened, in this too: can you imagine him trying to get a packed event?
And he still isn't certain to win, even with covid in his team.
The thing is, it was always going to be close, with or without Covid. Trump is such a polarizing figure. In Britain they would say he is like Marmite. By which I mean you either 'love him or you hate him,' not that he is 'a black viscous yeast extract which people can only tolerate in small amounts.'
Trump could murder someone in cold blood and there would be still right wingers who would justify it and vote for him. Similarly Trump could single handedly find a cure for world hunger, and there would still be left-wingers who wouldn't vote for him.
Edmund Ironside
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With 3 regular posters on this thread having bear avatars, I'm just waiting for someone to come along with a Goldilocks avatar and ruin their day!
Its the same for me. I live in Massachusetts, which along with Hawaii were the only 2 states in the Union where Trump did not win a single county in 2016. But I have to tell you, it felt really good when I mailed that ballot off.Intellectually, I realize my single vote is meaningless. My voting address is in the bluest part of the bluest city of the bluest state. It's obvious how my elector will be voting.
Emotionally though, I would like the satisfaction of kicking Herr Trump in the shin.
I want to participate in getting rid of him, and if not, at least participate in trying.
That'd take a very silly type of person.
There is already a cure for world hunger. The issue isn't the lack of a solution, its the economics of that solution.
Technically we don't have a cure for world hunger until we're producing enough food without degrading ecosystem reserves. After that, it's a distribution problem.
He only has to win convincingly enough for the state to be called for him. No matter what happens, there will be calls of foul and shenanigans. But if Biden has enough of an EC lead that overturning one or two states through a recount isn't going to deliver Trump the win, even FOX News will call it for Biden.
That's the threshold Biden needs to reach to head off most of the craziness at the pass. He needs FOX News telling its viewers that its over and Biden has won. Once FOX News says it, people will start moving through their processing, and get past the denial and anger stages. If Gori is right and it get called by 1AM for Biden... and again... this is key... on FOX News... I think that we're mostly out of the woods, because people will get to sleep on it and most will have accepted it by the time they wake up.
Now if we are in a situation where there is no winner declared and Biden is disputing the Ohio result,Trump is disputing the Florida result, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are "too close to call", California and Texas are "too early to call".... yeah... that's gonna be ugly... consider sheltering in place.
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