2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Estebonrober]

Beats me. I'm a strategist, not a policy wonk.

great. . . f@#$%ing hell lol

 

[Cloud_Strife]

My property is gonna take a dunking. Everyone else is in the same boat.
I'm not selling it anytime soon. The way we set things up ten years ago was we're not gonna get wrecked if we both lose our jobs.

Whatever.

Pray to whatever god you believe in that the system you've spent your life buying into isn't going to change.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sander's or the policies he promotes?

Bit of both. Some of his policies are popular not all of them.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Sander's or the policies he promotes?

Sanders. The vote is for an individual, not policies. We aren't running a direct democracy here.

That said, the policies he promotes aren't "his." Biden is mostly supportive of the same policies.

 

[Zardnaar]

Whatever.

Pray to whatever god you believe in that the system you've spent your life buying into isn't going to change.

As I said I'm not to worried. If it's complete society collapse I can't plan for that.

I know how to grow my own food, fish, hunt and have basic building skills.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If it gets that bad it's not gonna matter. I'm assuming at worst it's great depression, not Mad Max.

If it's Mad Max anything sane isn't gonna matter. I can't do anything in that event.

The only difference between Mad Max and the great depression is the presence of automobiles.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

As I said I'm not to worried. If it's complete society collapse I can't plan for that.

I know how to grow my own food, fish, hunt and have basic building skills.

None of that will save you from the desperation of humanity itself

 

[Zardnaar]

The only difference between Mad Max and the great depression is the presence of automobiles.

Ironically I live near an old Maori Pa. I know how to lay down a hangi as well lol.

A hangi is a Polynesian oven. Basically you dig a hole in the ground, bury food in it and steam cook it.

None of that will save you from the desperation of humanity itself

True but if it's heading that way I've already bugged out. I know where grandad's WW2 bolthole is and it's literally out in the bush with fresh water, mild climate, no roads and plentiful fish are. Wild grapes and berries as well. Flax as well.

I'll be going Polynesian tribal style.

Sure if roving mobs are looting etc that's gonna be a problem. Didn't happen 1918 or great depression so odds are good.

 

[Patine]

Sanders. The vote is for an individual, not policies. We aren't running a direct democracy here.

That said, the policies he promotes aren't "his." Biden is mostly supportive of the same policies.

Well, maybe about half or so of them. Plus, Biden also supports a full return (if one intimates by his broader career, none of which he has repudiated in this sense) to the military adventurism to fill big corporate coffers and deal with political and military agendas of no benefit or value to most common Americans, but which the population is lied to about and never consulted on, and that, though certainly not a pacifist or peace-maker, and for all his horrible other flaws, Trump has been the least egregious for among all post-WW2 U.S. Presidents in that regard.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Sure if roving mobs are looting etc that's gonna be a problem. Didn't happen 1918 or great depression so odds are good.

This is a poor indicator. The islands of New Zealand can pretty easily sustain under a million people "going polynesian tribal style" so there was no real call for roving mobs. Five million people? Not so much. So some process is going to have to happen to offload some portion of the difference in population there, and roving mobs are a pretty predictable method.

 

[Zardnaar]

This is a poor indicator. The islands of New Zealand can pretty easily sustain under a million people "going polynesian tribal style" so there was no real call for roving mobs. Five million people? Not so much. So some process is going to have to happen to offload some portion of the difference in population there, and roving mobs are a pretty predictable method.

The world not completely gonna fall over. As long as we can import fuel were fine. People still gotta eat, fuel is still going to be produced.

We export something like 90% of our food with something like less than 10% of the population. We've also got reserves of gas and oil. Not cheap. We're not even using the land efficiently so can switch to vegetables.

The local port has warehouses with $300 million dollars worth of milk powder.

Every person in the country gets 6 kilos. That's just one store house serving about 300 000 people. Less than 10% of the national stockpile.

One small NZ town supplied a good chunk of the nation's potatoes.

We could feed Australia with rationing and ourselves and have left over for export.

 

[Estebonrober]

You guys are getting entirely too gloom and dooomy lol

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The world not completely gonna fall over. As long as we can import fuel were fine. People still gotta eat, fuel is still going to be produced.

We export something like 90% of our food with something like less than 10% of the population. We've also got reserves of gas and oil. Not cheap. We're not even using the land efficiently so can switch to vegetables.

The local port has warehouses with $300 million dollars worth of milk powder.

Every person in the country gets 6 kilos. That's just one store house serving about 300 000 people. Less than 10% of the national stockpile.

One small NZ town supplied a good chunk of the nation's potatoes.

We could feed Australia with rationing and ourselves and have left over for export.

So you are sustaining five million people in an agrarian economy?

 

[Zardnaar]

You guys are getting entirely too gloom and dooomy lol

It's because people like hyperbole.

Let's just say the virus gets out if hand black death style. A lot of old bpeopke are doomed.

What's the big problem most western countries have? Aging populations. Who has most of the resources? Baby boomers.

Income levels will go up government expenditure goes down more resources become available to less people.

Not nice but it's not the end of the world.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You guys are getting entirely too gloom and dooomy lol

It's my nature. I am a product of the desert.

 

[Zardnaar]

So you are sustaining five million people in an agrarian economy?

We can do yes. If it's an end of the world situation we can feed that many and have Victorian type tech.

We can't make cellphones etc.

UK had 5 million people 1707, we're bigger than the UK better climate.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It's because people like hyperbole.

Let's just say the virus gets out if hand black death style. A lot of old bpeopke are doomed.

What's the big problem most western countries have? Aging populations. Who has most of the resources? Baby boomers.

Income levels will go up government expenditure goes down more resources become available to less people.

Not nice but it's not the end of the world.

No doubt, but that isn't what's happening. What's happening is an absolute savaging of the economy. Current estimate, US unemployment rate for April is going to be 20%.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

The budget pressures of an aging population are going to get worse with time, not better, because the population is aging.

 

[Takhisis]

no access to exit polling because some off corner of the state is in the next time zone so the polls have another hour.

And why wouldn't the relevant county/ies just hold it at the real time i.e. change their opening hours by one hour?

Wonder if Cloud has figured out hormone drugs might be in short supply and transitional surgery will be goneburger.

Man, you'd better add in a full explanation as you -only partly- did later in the thread because otherwise posts such as this look just like an unprovoked slap to the face.

 

[Zardnaar]

No doubt, but that isn't what's happening. What's happening is an absolute savaging of the economy. Current estimate, US unemployment rate for April is going to be 20%.

Yep love long term it's great depression 2.0.

Or they're forced to end lockdowns with a lot of dead people. 1918 2.0.