2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Patine]

Hm, so Kanye is playing the role of Farage? Can one only run in some select states? (Farage did so in the last british election, just to take votes from Labour)

I really doubt that many people would vote for that clown, though.

U.S. Ballot Access for a Presidential Election is not the same as Constituencies Contested in a Westminster System Election. The latter is actually, instead, an analogy of Congressional Districts or Senate Seats Contested.

 

[Patine]

And there's no doubt the Trumpsters are responsible for West's latest relapse and mental break down and the subsequent public shaming and humiliation of his own wife and children.

The "pro family party" lol

Trump, himself, is not really Pro-Family. He's not personally Socially Conservative at all. Or Fiscally Conservative, Libertarian, Military Adventurist, and certainly not a Free-Trade advocate. So, how does someone who is not personally an adherent to any of the main ideological camps of a political party get 91% approval rating within that party?

 

[Hrothbern]

Trump, himself, is not really Pro-Family. He's not personally Socially Conservative at all. Or Fiscally Conservative, Libertarian, Military Adventurist, and certainly not a Free-Trade advocate. So, how does someone who is not personally an adherent to any of the main ideological camps of a political party get 91% approval rating within that party?

Because Trump is the perfect thick middle finger to the Dems ?

 

[Kyriakos]

At least the US takes war seriously.

 

[Birdjaguar]

This just popped into my head.

Do you know who is effectively going to determine the outcome of the 2020 election?

Spoiler :

Fox News

Spoiler :

On election night, they will have to determine (will have had to determine in advance, actually) whether they are going to act like a news-reporting source or enable Trump. The very, very strong bias for news organizations on election night is to "call" states as early as they can. That's what people are tuning in for on election night. News networks have developed systems for letting them make those calls. Until they can, they label particular states "too early to call" or "too close to call." But the second they can, they call. It Fox wants to enable the strategy that Trump has been preparing ("It's all so chaotic, how could anyone possibly know?"), they will have to purposefully, deliberately and aggressively override the baseline mechanics of election-night reporting. If they were to do that on his behalf, it would give him the argument, "well, only the fake news networks have called for Biden; another network says it's not settled." But were they to do that: 1) it would be obvious what they were up to and 2) they would sacrifice the credibility of their news wing forever.

When Fox News reports it called for Biden, then it's effectively settled; then there's just Trump's grousing. There'll be tons of grousing, and the commentary wing of Fox will give him every platform for his grousing. But the election will be determined.

Nice!. Of course they could go the other route and declare Trump wins swing states very early and then say that the fake news has changed the voting to allow Biden to win. At midnight FoxNews declares Trump now has more than 270 electoral votes and is the winner. Since other news hasn't declared a winner, Trump gets the psychological edge. It is kind of like how Barr handled the Mueller report: declare no collusion and no obstruction and then release the report later that says yes to both. The damage is already done.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Of course they could go the other route and declare Trump wins swing states very early and then say that the fake news has changed the voting to allow Biden to win

That's effectively a version of my option B. Option A is them acting the way a news organization does on election night. Option B is any pre-resolved way of managing data to give Trump a talking point.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

EDIT:I just learned that while her mother is Thai, and she was born in Thailand, her father was US military, so she is in that untested gray-area with respect to her POTUS eligibility.

Should not be an issue. Neither McCain nor Romney were born in the US. McCain was born in Panama and Romney was born in Mexico City. As the child of a US citizen, (and an active duty military one at that, as was McCain's dad), she is covered. I assume the GOP would mount a legal challenge - because of course they would - but it wouldn't have two legs to stand on.

That was a terrible joke and I'll show myself out.

 

[Gori the Grey]

And Cruz ran, even though he was born in Canada.

 

[Takhisis]

The U.S. is totally a secular democracy yet the sitting president says that his challenger ‘hurts God’ (the Christian God, of course, who, as far as I know, hasn't been consulted in the matter). Screen crawls look like ONN articles.

 

[amadeus]

It will neuter Trump's strategy for challenging the outcome. And thus, effectively, settle the election.

But the individual secretaries of the states and EC votes will reflect the actual votes. I don't think anything Fox could say the night of the election would change the outcome.

Should not be an issue. Neither McCain nor Romney were born in the US. McCain was born in Panama and Romney was born in Mexico City. As the child of a US citizen, (and an active duty military one at that, as was McCain's dad), she is covered.

This is where I fell out of the movement to disqualify Barack Obama. Even if he had been born in Kenya, "native-born" citizenship* would still be conferred to him and there was no legal grounds to challenge his candidacy unless it could be proven that his mother was not an American, which nobody had ever so much as even suggested.

*I'm using it in quotes to differentiate it from citizenship acquired after birth that would be disqualifying.

 

[Berzerker]

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before statehood

 

[Kaitzilla]

I see Emperor Trump has swept away the last vestiges of the Imperial Congress.

Maybe they will impeach him now.

 

[Lexicus]

I see we're at the "executive governs by emergency decree while the legislature is paralyzed" stage now

 

[amadeus]

What's going on now?

 

[Zardnaar]

What's going on now?

Trying to use executive order for funding.

 

[amadeus]

Trying to use executive order for funding.

I don't know about this order, but I read it would be part of FEMA disaster funding? I don't know what powers the President has in directing funds already allotted by Congress.

I haven't followed the story closely so I don't know what the hangup is in Congress. I'm not saying they don't have a legitimate gripe against the White House, just that I don't know what wrangling is going on between the branches right now.

 

[Lexicus]

Trump is trying to pay out $400/week unemployment payments by executive order, which is completely unconstitutional but

I don't know

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't know about this order, but I read it would be part of FEMA disaster funding? I don't know what powers the President has in directing funds already allotted by Congress.

I haven't followed the story closely so I don't know what the hangup is in Congress. I'm not saying they don't have a legitimate gripe against the White House, just that I don't know what wrangling is going on between the branches right now.

Democrats wanted 3 trillion in spending, GoP 1 trillion plus immunity for businesses for opening with Covid.

 

[Zardnaar]

Trump is trying to pay out $400/week unemployment payments by executive order, which is completely unconstitutional but

Is that before or after tax? More than the unemployed here get. Doesn't run out though.

 

[Kyriakos]

1600$/month?
Isn't that above a living wage by itself?

Any prerequisites? (like having to have worked for x years/have no other sources of income/be legally a citizen) ^_^