2020 US Election (Part Two)

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I've just started reading the article, and suspected as much... but still... I guessing that this will change the minds of pretty much nobody. I just think that the folks supporting Trump at this point are too entrenched to be persuaded. The only way that Biden will win is if he is able to motivate turnout in the midst of the pandemic and intermittent Civil unrest.

EDIT: Finished reading. Cringeworthy stuff, but sadly, unsurprising. Apparently Trump is as bad as many of us assumed he was.
 
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No, and if you read more carefully of course you will see that I did not even say that. I said you were making an analysis and then misapplying it to a situation in which it does not apply.

The parties have undergone quite large ideological shifts over the past century; the Republicans have undergone noticeable ideological change just over the last 20 years. Donald Trump "captured" the Republican Party, its formal organization and "elites" might as well not have been there.

Basically, if candidates like Bernie (or whomever you like) can actually win over the party by winning the primary, there is nothing the party can really do to stop them. The problem this year was that Bernie didn't win over the party.

The problem is how many people here are still convinced the U.S. Party Primary System is truly representative of the will and choice of the rank-and-file of the given Party in any meaningful way. I've examined, as I've said, how it works. The circuitous route through States, the way debates are managed, the dropping out by candidates, and the pursuant fact that Primary voters in every State, or even the majority of States, don't get to vote on the whole slate of candidates, the way delegates are assigned, and how they arbitrarily shift when a candidate drops, not to mention that an incumbent President of either Party running for re-election seems to be ALLOWED no meaningful or significant Primary opponent who could actually seriously challenge them, or be anyone but a throwaway opponent or a nobody, or several of them, who can be walked all over or just ignored by the incumbent. The last time this was not the case was 1980 - 40 years ago - when Ted Kennedy made a serious Primary challenge against Jimmy Carter, on the heels of Ronald Reagan's serious Primary challenge against Gerald Ford in 1976. But to date, not since. And, of course, there is also the INSTITUTIONAL through ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER by the Duopoly's control of that power, and the high and corrupt bias of electoral laws, suppression, compromise, and complete screwing over of ALL Third Party and Independent candidates - like many Emerging Democracies and Post-Soviet Party-of-Power States, but without beating the candidates while their campaigning and necessarily arresting them on false charges (though the latter does happen here and there in the U.S. too). And then there's the high corruption - the unbridled power of the Plutocratic Oligarchy, who, as I said, is in bed with both major parties, not just one of them, and the immense and disproportionate - and CRIMINAL- power they hold over the whole affair. So, the U.S. system is indeed still a big screw-over where it's certainly someone other than YOU THE PEOPLE calling the shots and deciding who can, and will, have a chance of winning.

. . . and yet . . .



We live in the best time in recorded history and yet need to utterly overturn the governmental system that presumably was at least partly responsible for our achieving that.:crazyeye:

Yes, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, it's better than the Gilded Age, the Red Scare, "Smoke-Filled Room," Conventions nominating Presidential Candidates, certain State Legislatures assigning that State's Electoral Votes themselves regardless of popular voting otherwise, and women, African-Americans, Native Americans, Chinese-Americans, and, in many places, poor Whites, not having the vote. But there's still a LOT of room for improvement and a lot of work to do.
 
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You guys remember that SR-71 copypasta I spammed the forum with a while back? Well I've been getting a lot of political text messages from campaign volunteers for both Trump and Biden. These are actual people and not automated. I know this because I've actually had a conversation through text with some of them.

Anyway, those texts are annoying the crap out of me so I just started responding to each one with the SR-71 copypasta. Hilarity usually ensues as the campaign volunteer usually replies with something snide about how I need to take the political process more seriously.

EDIT: Beatrice of the Ohio Democrats called me a "sack of feces (obviously not the word she used)".
 
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You guys remember that SR-71 copypasta I spammed the forum with a while back? Well I've been getting a lot of political text messages from campaign volunteers for both Trump and Biden. These are actual people and not automated. I know this because I've actually had a conversation through text with some of them.

Anyway, those texts are annoying the crap out of me so I just started responding to each one with the SR-71 copypasta. Hilarity usually ensues as the campaign volunteer usually replies with something snide about how I need to take the political process more seriously.

SR-71? You mean the recon jet?
 
SR-71? You mean the recon jet?

Yes. Here's the copypasta in spoilers for its length:

Spoiler :
As a former SR-71 pilot, and a professional keynote speaker, the question I'm most often asked is "How fast would that SR-71 fly?" I can be assured of hearing that question several times at any event I attend. It's an interesting question, given the aircraft's proclivity for speed, but there really isn't one number to give, as the jet would always give you a little more speed if you wanted it to. It was common to see 35 miles a minute. Because we flew a programmed Mach number on most missions, and never wanted to harm the plane in any way, we never let it run out to any limits of temperature or speed. Thus, each SR-71 pilot had his own individual “high” speed that he saw at some point on some mission. I saw mine over Libya when Khadafy fired two missiles my way, and max power was in order. Let’s just say that the plane truly loved speed and effortlessly took us to Mach numbers we hadn’t previously seen. So it was with great surprise, when at the end of one of my presentations, someone asked, “what was the slowest you ever flew the Blackbird?” This was a first. After giving it some thought, I was reminded of a story that I had never shared before, and relayed the following. I was flying the SR-71 out of RAF Mildenhall, England , with my back-seater, Walt Watson; we were returning from a mission over Europe and the Iron Curtain when we received a radio transmission from home base. As we scooted across Denmark in three minutes, we learned that a small RAF base in the English countryside had requested an SR-71 fly-past. The air cadet commander there was a former Blackbird pilot, and thought it would be a motivating moment for the young lads to see the mighty SR-71 perform a low approach. No problem, we were happy to do it. After a quick aerial refueling over the North Sea , we proceeded to find the small airfield. Walter had a myriad of sophisticated navigation equipment in the back seat, and began to vector me toward the field. Descending to subsonic speeds, we found ourselves over a densely wooded area in a slight haze. Like most former WWII British airfields, the one we were looking for had a small tower and little surrounding infrastructure. Walter told me we were close and that I should be able to see the field, but I saw nothing. Nothing but trees as far as I could see in the haze. We got a little lower, and I pulled the throttles back from 325 knots we were at. With the gear up, anything under 275 was just uncomfortable. Walt said we were practically over the field—yet; there was nothing in my windscreen. I banked the jet and started a gentle circling maneuver in hopes of picking up anything that looked like a field. Meanwhile, below, the cadet commander had taken the cadets up on the catwalk of the tower in order to get a prime view of the fly-past. It was a quiet, still day with no wind and partial gray overcast. Walter continued to give me indications that the field should be below us but in the overcast and haze, I couldn't see it.. The longer we continued to peer out the window and circle, the slower we got. With our power back, the awaiting cadets heard nothing. I must have had good instructors in my flying career, as something told me I better cross-check the gauges. As I noticed the airspeed indicator slide below 160 knots, my heart stopped and my adrenalin-filled left hand pushed two throttles full forward. At this point we weren't really flying, but were falling in a slight bank. Just at the moment that both afterburners lit with a thunderous roar of flame (and what a joyous feeling that was) the aircraft fell into full view of the shocked observers on the tower. Shattering the still quiet of that morning, they now had 107 feet of fire-breathing titanium in their face as the plane leveled and accelerated, in full burner, on the tower side of the infield, closer than expected, maintaining what could only be described as some sort of ultimate knife-edge pass. Quickly reaching the field boundary, we proceeded back to Mildenhall without incident. We didn't say a word for those next 14 minutes. After landing, our commander greeted us, and we were both certain he was reaching for our wings. Instead, he heartily shook our hands and said the commander had told him it was the greatest SR-71 fly-past he had ever seen, especially how we had surprised them with such a precise maneuver that could only be described as breathtaking. He said that some of the cadet’s hats were blown off and the sight of the plan form of the plane in full afterburner dropping right in front of them was unbelievable. Walt and I both understood the concept of “breathtaking” very well that morning, and sheepishly replied that they were just excited to see our low approach. As we retired to the equipment room to change from space suits to flight suits, we just sat there-we hadn't spoken a word since “the pass.” Finally, Walter looked at me and said, “One hundred fifty-six knots. What did you see?” Trying to find my voice, I stammered, “One hundred fifty-two.” We sat in silence for a moment. Then Walt said, “Don’t ever do that to me again!” And I never did. A year later, Walter and I were having lunch in the Mildenhall Officer’s club, and overheard an officer talking to some cadets about an SR-71 fly-past that he had seen one day. Of course, by now the story included kids falling off the tower and screaming as the heat of the jet singed their eyebrows. Noticing our HABU patches, as we stood there with lunch trays in our hands, he asked us to verify to the cadets that such a thing had occurred. Walt just shook his head and said, “It was probably just a routine low approach; they're pretty impressive in that plane.” Impressive indeed. Little did I realize after relaying this experience to my audience that day that it would become one of the most popular and most requested stories. It’s ironic that people are interested in how slow the world’s fastest jet can fly. Regardless of your speed, however, it’s always a good idea to keep that cross-check up…and keep your Mach up, too.

There were a lot of things we couldn’t do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment. It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet. I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn’t match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury. Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace. We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed. Center replied: November Charlie 175, I’m showing you at ninety knots on the ground. Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the “ HoustonCentervoice.” I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country’s space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the Houstoncontrollers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that… and that they basically did. And it didn’t matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios. Just moments after the Cessna’s inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his groundspeed. Twin Beach, I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed. Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren. Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check Before Center could reply, I’m thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it, ol’ Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He’s the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground. And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done – in mere seconds we’ll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now. I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn. Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet. Then, I heard it. The click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke: Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check? There was no hesitation, and the replay came as if was an everyday request. Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground. I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice: Ah, Center, much thanks, We’re showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money. For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the HoustonCentervoice, when L.A.came back with: Roger that Aspen, Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one. It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day’s work. We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast. For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.
 
The best bit IMO:
CNN said:
The startling revelations in "Rage," which CNN obtained ahead of its September 15 release, were made during 18 wide-ranging interviews Trump gave Woodward from December 5, 2019 to July 21, 2020. The interviews were recorded by Woodward with Trump's permission, and CNN has obtained copies of some of the audio tapes.
 
You guys remember that SR-71 copypasta I spammed the forum with a while back? Well I've been getting a lot of political text messages from campaign volunteers for both Trump and Biden. These are actual people and not automated. I know this because I've actually had a conversation through text with some of them.

Anyway, those texts are annoying the crap out of me so I just started responding to each one with the SR-71 copypasta. Hilarity usually ensues as the campaign volunteer usually replies with something snide about how I need to take the political process more seriously.

EDIT: Beatrice of the Ohio Democrats called me a "sack of feces (obviously not the word she used)".
Its your own fault for choosing to live in a battleground state. Was the same for me when I lived in PA. Move out here to New England and campaigns won't bother you nearly as much. :p
 
Its your own fault for choosing to live in a battleground state. Was the same for me when I lived in PA. Move out here to New England and campaigns won't bother you nearly as much. :p

But those New England states won't let me have my full-semiautomatic assault machine gun that holds 100 clips per magazine.
 
The best bit IMO:
I found this bit amusing:
"Rage" is a follow-up to Woodward's 2018 bestselling book "Fear," which portrayed a chaotic White House in which aides hid papers from Trump to protect the country from what they viewed as his most dangerous impulses.

While Trump slammed "Fear," he also complained that he didn't speak to Woodward for the book, which resulted in his agreeing to extensive interviews for "Rage."
*facepalm*
 
But those New England states won't let me have my full-semiautomatic assault machine gun that holds 100 clips per magazine.
Meh, Bernie's got your back in VT... EDIT: Ugh... I'm moving this response to the Gun Control Thread before I get us both in trouble...
 
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But those New England states won't let me have my full-semiautomatic assault machine gun that holds 100 clips per magazine.

Why, do you have plans for it? :eek:
 
Latest ad spending tracks indicate that D'ump is throwing in the towel, or that his campaign has been taken over by the GOP regulars. He is being outspent by large margins in all the key battleground states, eg Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, but is pumping huge money into Texas. If the presidential campaign reaches a point where D'ump has to defend Texas he has long since lost, so from his perspective huge ad buys in Texas make no sense at all. However, the Texas state legislature is the most important battleground on the map for the future of the GOP, so for them the buys make sense and in fact are critical.
 
US should stop giving guns to citizens and rely on the new OCP model to maintain order.

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Beatrice of the Ohio Democrats called me a "sack of feces (obviously not the word she used)".
I'm no expert when it comes to political persuasion, but calling someone a "sack of feces" is unlikely to get the job done!

I had the opposite problem due to being too polite rather then being blunt like you. Mormons kept coming to my house and I was too polite to tell them to go away (in fairness they were very polite people too). After several weeks of them visiting we eventually hit a brick wall as I said I couldn't "convert" as among other things it would infuriate my wife, parents and parent in-laws!
 
meh , Blackbird ...

as post #5999 and as a plane nut , ı just feel like adding the very real pressure to retire it involved rejection of maintainers suggestions of fixing this part and that part , involving actual orders from up high . Which the maintainers wilfully ignored and the plane went fastest ever on its last flight or something .

because ı love Lockmart so much ... You would never believe how much ...
 
meh , Blackbird ...

as post #5999 and as a plane nut , ı just feel like adding the very real pressure to retire it involved rejection of maintainers suggestions of fixing this part and that part , involving actual orders from up high . Which the maintainers wilfully ignored and the plane went fastest ever on its last flight or something .

because ı love Lockmart so much ... You would never believe how much ...

I live right around the corner from the Lockmart!!!
 
I'm no expert when it comes to political persuasion, but calling someone a "sack of feces" is unlikely to get the job done

To be fair to Beatrice though, I was openly a jerk to her by sending an outrageously long copypasta and I'm probably far from the only person to be a jerk to her. So she probably just snapped a little bit on me.
 
To be fair to Beatrice though, I was openly a jerk to her by sending an outrageously long copypasta and I'm probably far from the only person to be a jerk to her. So she probably just snapped a little bit on me.

Did you send her the one with zero paragraph breaks? Because that may well elevate you beyond just ordinary jerk status.
 
I think too many paragraph breaks could make it even more annoying than none
 
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