2020 US Election (Part Two)

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Gorbles said:
I didn't misread yours, either. Don't blame me for something I haven't done. Regardless, two wrongs don't make a right. This is the exact moral line you're driving in criticising both major US political parties. Stooping to it now to defend your own actions is counterproductive.
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I didn't blame you for anything, if you READ. I was more wistfully musing that maybe you might have a point, and it might be nice if "people," stopped misreading my posts.

haroon said:
@Patine your general status quo stance can be quite counter-productive and anti-progress. You deconstruct everything but (re)construct nothing afterward. Like when two group of children competing on building the best sand-castle, you exposed the fault of both structure, then destroy both of it and left them broke.
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I appreciate the sober advice, but I'm not convinced in this context, considering I'm not hearing any real solutions out of those I'm conversing with, except reiterating how the plans and talking points of the ideologues and socio-political factions they adhere to are going to magically work, or at least be sufficient for anything productive and forward-moving to happen, and that I should I shut up and give my full support.
 
amadeus said:
“But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.”
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Since @haroon mentioned sand castles. :)
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To be fair, I have never claimed to have all the answers, to know singular truths, or that everyone must agree with me (though several posters have accused me of saying such - @Gorbles may very well indeed have a point that everyone carefully reading everyone else's posts may improve things around here - though it's certainly not a policy he, or I, can implement as individuals), I merely state my opinions and views, and my disagreements with others' ideas, and really no less firmly, solidly, or insistently than most other OT posters (whatever they may believe). Just because my opinion is unpopular (read, not necessarily or inherently wrong in it's entirety and completely down the line - just unpopular) doesn't mean I'm pushing the arrogant point-of-view some have accused me of.
 
Patine said:
I appreciate the sober advice, but I'm not convinced in this context, considering I'm not hearing any real solutions out of those I'm conversing with, except reiterating how the plans and talking points of the ideologues and socio-political factions they adhere to are going to magically work, or at least be sufficient for anything productive and forward-moving to happen, and that I should I shut up and give my full support.
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If anyone who willing to vote they can do vote in order to strive for better outcome (not necessary for the ideally "right" choice/option) they not necessarily agree with their decision but they want to have an impact in democracy in a way that they consider can result a better future for America.

However already since long you explain your disbelieve toward the US' two party system, and until this day you still enter the same arena bashing both left and right then leave them without any constructive alternative.

And I think people already very much understand your point of view in the matter, they are just want to move on and discuss other things bro. I'm just saying.
 
Patine said:
Just because my opinion is unpopular (read, not necessarily or inherently wrong in it's entirety and completely down the line - just unpopular) doesn't mean I'm pushing the arrogant point-of-view some have accused me of.
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Oh, I think you’re certainly entitled to your opinion and are free to express it as you do.

I’m just taking a more, I don’t know, relaxed approach to all these things as my circumstances are that I feel like a virtual prisoner 95% of the day and I need some cheap humor to get me through it, hence the Biblical reference against talking about criticizing sand castle construction.

This is a lot more than I expected to write for my feeble attempt at humor. I hope you can at least get a chuckle out of it! :)
 
haroon said:
If anyone who willing to vote they can do vote in order to strive for better outcome (not necessary for the ideally "right" choice/option) they not necessarily agree with their decision but they want to have an impact in democracy in a way that they consider can result a better future for America.

However already since long you explain your disbelieve toward the US' two party system, and until this day you still enter the same arena bashing both left and right then leave them without any constructive alternative.

And I think people already very much understand your point of view in the matter, they are just want to move on and discuss other things bro. I'm just saying.
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I will finish by saying that it is not I who leaves people without a constructive alternative in U.S. politics - it is the high level American hegemonic and plutocratic oligarchs that do. I have no power at all to take away any constructive alternatives on that level of power - I am just pointing out their effective absence, even if insistently and repetitively, I admit.
 
Change is slow in this system. One party, the Democrats, offer a snails pace. Republicans offer a sledgehammer to the snail. The choice is obvious. It’s been obvious since 2010.
 
Snails are gross, so I should vote Republican. Unless giving them a sledgehammer means we’ll be arming the snails, in which case I should vote Democrat.

I think we should just clone Eisenhower and be done with it already.
 
Imaus said:
Change is slow in this system. One party, the Democrats, offer a snails pace. Republicans offer a sledgehammer to the snail. The choice is obvious. It’s been obvious since 2010.
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The obvious thing is that there is no choice, until the people of the United States, whom the Founding Fathers declared, collectively, the empowering force of the Republic, realize this and have enough and vote out BOTH criminal cartels in the same election.
 
Patine said:
I didn't blame you for anything, if you READ. I was more wistfully musing that maybe you might have a point, and it might be nice if "people," stopped misreading my posts.
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I know you didn't, apologies for acting as though it were explicit. But I am a person, and you said "people". I cannot guess at more than that. And besides, if you weren't referring to me, it's still irrelevant.

Remember, this came out of you accusing me of blaming Trump for everything wrong with the US. What other people do with your posts is completely inconsequential to that, no?

I appreciate the sober advice, but I'm not convinced in this context, considering I'm not hearing any real solutions out of those I'm conversing with, except reiterating how the plans and talking points of the ideologues and socio-political factions they adhere to are going to magically work, or at least be sufficient for anything productive and forward-moving to happen, and that I should I shut up and give my full support.
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As someone who you are conversing with, in this context, at no point did I demand you shut up or give your full support to anything.

You really need to ease up on these generalisations.
 
According to 538, Trump has shot up 1, 2 points. Biden is still 10% higher but has flatlined.

What the hells, America.
 
Hrothbern said:
Is this really true for Canada ?
Only 66% ?

And many [Canadians] blame Trump: nearly 66% want Joe Biden to win the election.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...r-a-disputed-result-are-canadians-worst-fears
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Quite possibly. Trump's inexplicable trade wars and diplomatic posturing upset a lot of people up here. Mind, Biden will likely want to drag Canada - and other NATO and international "usual allies," of the U.S. into a new pack of pointless and contrived wars around the world based on lies and that turn out to be to enrich big resource, contracting, and armaments corporations judging by his Senate history, so...
 
Patine said:
Quite possibly. Trump's inexplicable trade wars and diplomatic posturing upset a lot of people up here. Mind, Biden will likely want to drag Canada - and other NATO and international "usual allies," of the U.S. into a new pack of pointless and contrived wars around the world based on lies and that turn out to be to enrich big resource, contracting, and armaments corporations judging by his Senate history, so...
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yes
but when only 66% want Biden... that means that there are a whole lot of Canadians undecided or in favor of Trump !
 
I just checked 538 and Trump is back down to 12% chance of winning from 13% yesterday. Biden is also ahead in Georgia, whereas he was behind yesterday.

RCP has Biden up 7.3, 50.5% to 43.2%

As I've mentioned before, I think Trump has a shy-voter factor that is causing the tightening... folks who were always going to vote Trump but were reluctant to admit it. In any case, with 6.3% of the vote unspoken for and 3% to 5% going Third party for sure, I think that may be enough of a margin to limp Biden across the finish line... maybe... but certainly not the Flawless-Supreme-Victory we've been hoping for
 
I wanted to say Farm Boy seems to hate everything that doesn't meet his strict though ill-defined criteria, but Patine had to come back and steal the whining thunder.
 
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