2020 US Election (Part Two)

[KaibaCorp]

He is trying to help a guy destroying the planet and who is objectively pro COVID mass deaths.

You don’t appear to know what objectively means; ‘twas an interesting rant until then at least.

 

[Patine]

stfu

https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/biopolitical-times/trumps-racehorse-theory-and-why-it-matters

On the campaign trail last week in Minnesota, Donald Trump reached into his well-worn bag of divisive tricks and pulled out a piece of rehashed eugenics in the guise of a compliment:

You have good genes, you know that, right? You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn’t it, don't you believe? The racehorse theory. You think we’re so different? You have good genes in Minnesota.

This was not a one-off rant, but the latest in a string of pronouncements that echo the eugenics playbook. Back at a 2016 rally, Trump mused:

I always said that winning is somewhat, maybe, innate. Maybe it’s just something you have; you have the winning gene. Frankly it would be wonderful if you could develop it, but I’m not so sure you can. You know I’m proud to have that German blood, there’s no question about it. Great stuff.

That is a backward, and racist statement. But, he is not actually a dictator. He does not control the House of Representatives, and filibusters are still an issue for him in the Senate. Separate polling for Congress races aren't looking good for him even if he gets re-elected. And, as I said, most of the laws that could establish White Supremacist rule are State jurisdiction. He has very repugnant and vile beliefs, but he can't just implement them by despotic fiat and decree on every level of American governance. I don't support Trump at all, regardless of what certain annoying and disingenuous posters here say. But, I don't support Biden, either, but for different, but just as worrisome, reasons. But absolute dictatorship and Nazi-style race-based state politics I don't think are really realistic, and are a collective zeitgeist fear. Donald Trump is many, many horrid and monstrous things, but fortunately, he's also the most incompetent and ineffectual U.S. President since Andrew Johnson.

 

[Farm Boy]

The cartoon looks quite contemporary and have a great coloring, never in my wildest dream I thought that (s)he was an old-school commies bear tricking children with cute face and balloons to indoctrinate them Marxist ideology!

I cannot attest to the quality of translation that I found on Youtube years back, but an Armenian said it was "Passable, considering." Whatever that means. Nowhere as fluffy and positive as Disney Pooh, but quite enlightening nonetheless. Artists working in Brezhnev's side of town seem to have a different sort of tenor than Nixon's.

 

[thecrazyscot]

He has very repugnant and vile beliefs, but he can't just implement them by despotic fiat and decree on every level of American governance.

He's certainly done his best through the misuse of Executive Decrees. And his placement of flunkies in control at every level of government has essentially given him tremendous influence over things he shouldn't have influence over.

Donald Trump is many, many horrid and monstrous things, but fortunately, he's also the most incompetent and ineffectual U.S. President since Andrew Johnson.

There's nothing "fortunate" about his incompetence. It has done actual, real, extensive damage to the USA in terms of international influence and domestic peace and prosperity.

 

[Patine]

He's certainly done his best through the misuse of Executive Decrees. And his placement of flunkies in control at every level of government has essentially given him tremendous influence over things he shouldn't have influence over.

Like every, single U.S. President after Grover Cleveland. You are right, executive orders are becoming a problem, and have been for well over a century, and need to be reigned in for the Presidential Office in general.

 

[thecrazyscot]

Like every, single U.S. President after Grover Cleveland. You are right, executive orders are becoming a problem, and have been for well over a century, and need to be reigned in for the Presidential Office in general.

I actually agree with you regarding executive orders. But to equate Trump's assertion of control to that of "every single president after Grover Cleveland" is preposterous.

 

[Patine]

I actually agree with you regarding executive orders. But to equate Trump's assertion of control to that of "every single president after Grover Cleveland" is preposterous.

Well, let's say Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes, Clinton, and Obama's executive orders. They're all absolutely horrid (at least many of them are). Or are you actually familiar with the more morally (and legally) repugnant executive orders by these Presidents. Many of them, for whatever reason, were not big news at the time they were dropped.

 

[El_Machinae]

It doesn't seem like bad reporting to me.

The article lead me to believe false things about the report because they chose to spin surface details rather than content. It's bad reporting, and it's why we have a misinformed populace based on choosing teams and spreading misinformation faster than truth.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Do you understand the difference between active, institutional White Supremacism in government and lopsided-demographic-leaning policies applied clumsily, inconsistently, and only partially effectively (especially because the majority of policies needed to implement actual White Supremacist policy are State, not Federal, jurisdiction - hence why the Jim Crow laws were all State laws, not Federal laws)? I'm not saying Trump's Government is not repugnant, horrid, mismanaged, corrupt, nepotistic (VERY nepotistic - say hello, Ivanka, Jared, Eric, and Don, Jr.), irrational, inexplicable, and admiring of tyrants (as well as the genocide leader against Native Americans and early slave-power advocate, the petulant and highly-thin-skinned President Andrew Jackson) and with racist, misogynist, and LGBTQ overtones, and playing Pence like a pied piper to lead supposed Evangelicals for the most irreligious U.S. President to ever take office - but calling him a Fascist or a White Supremacist with any effectiveness (the man is not a Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Ian Smith, or D.F. Malan) is just gilding the lily for rhetoric, but is, at the end of the day, not fully true. One can oppose a political leader and their government, even vociferously, without saying that every single possible flaw or evil governance in the book is their sin to bear. As I like to say, perspective and proportion, please.

Trump is a racist and a fascist and you seem intent on giving the guy the benefit of the doubt

 

[thecrazyscot]

Well, let's say Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes, Clinton, and Obama's executive orders. They're all absolutely horrid (at least many of them are). Or are you actually familiar with the more morally (and legally) repugnant executive orders by these Presidents. Many of them, for whatever reason, were not big news at the time they were dropped.

I'm not sure what argument you are trying to drag me in, but I'm not interested in delving into the executive orders issued by those presidents because they're ultimately not relevant to Trump's rather unprecedented assertion of personal control over the US government.

 

[Patine]

Trump is a racist and a fascist and you seem intent on giving the guy the benefit of the doubt

He is racist, yes, but the U.S. system of dividing powers limits his ability to easily capitalize on that. And Nixon and Reagan were far more effective and successful at creating systemic racism and inequity, and Clinton's insults to the LGBTQ community that were couched as 'compromises and solutions," but accomplished nothing, and just had him showboating and grandstanding on an illusion of helping the lettered community. Why do you never rant about them? Also, if Trump is really a Fascist, he's going to be the laughing stock and wearing the fish bowl in the alumni hall in Hell where Fascists gather by Hitler, Mussolini, Hideki, Franco, and the rest - because he's a pitiful, shameful excuse for a Fascist, if that's what he's supposed to be. He's something downright horrid and monstrous, without any moral fibre at all, but whatever it is, it's not Fascism. It's - Trumpism - I guess. But Fascism has a VERY SPECIFIC meaning and definition, it is NOT a general purpose and generic term, to be thrown around willy-nilly. The sooner you realize that, the more erudite and respectable your arguments will be.

 

[Patine]

I'm not sure what argument you are trying to drag me in, but I'm not interested in delving into the executive orders issued by those presidents because they're ultimately not relevant to Trump's rather unprecedented assertion of personal control over the US government.

Many of the executive orders by the Presidents I listed are almost certainly the same kind Biden would issue. He's in that school of horrid, monstrous, and evil, as opposed to Trump's form of it.

 

[thecrazyscot]

He is racist, yes...He's something downright horrid and monstrous, without any moral fibre at all...

[Biden's] in that school of horrid, monstrous, and evil, as opposed to Trump's form of it.

Words like "horrid", "monstrous", "evil", etc start to lose meaning when you indiscriminately apply them to everyone.

 

[Patine]

Words like "horrid", "monstrous", "evil", etc start to lose meaning when you indiscriminately apply them to everyone.

But those words are meant for more generic and general purpose use in their context (if a bit hyperbolic). Fascist is not meant to be used that way, if this is a reference to my statement, above, to @Cloud_Strife. Not all words are created equal.

 

[El_Machinae]

I remember hating the multiple choice questions as a kid where it was "chose the MOST TRUE statement below". I realize now that it was useful, handy, pertinent, convenient, fortuitous, fortunate, and serendipitous for when the thesaurus gives me a list of adjectives and I should really just use the best one to get my point across.

 

[Farm Boy]

I find "Congressmen" does that job rather nicely and leaves relatively little of those terms out. It like, what's the term these days. A dogwhistle, or something? Then again, that term mostly seems to be a way of saddling people with things they didn't say while calling other people dogs. So, maybe it's not good for anything.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I cannot attest to the quality of translation that I found on Youtube years back, but an Armenian said it was "Passable, considering." Whatever that means. Nowhere as fluffy and positive as Disney Pooh, but quite enlightening nonetheless. Artists working in Brezhnev's side of town seem to have a different sort of tenor than Nixon's.

"You make a convincing argument, but I has a balloon. Has you a balloon? Thought not" *happy - smug*

 

[Patine]

I remember hating the multiple choice questions as a kid where it was "chose the MOST TRUE statement below". I realize now that it was useful, handy, pertinent, convenient, fortuitous, fortunate, and serendipitous for when the thesaurus gives me a list of adjectives and I should really just use the best one to get my point across.

But some choices are untenable. "Would you rather die by roasting on a spit or the death of a thousand cuts?" I cannot, with any humanity or conscience, endorse or support Biden OR Trump for U.S. President. That's really what I've saying for months, more or less, regardless of false accusations and lies attached to me and my motives, baselessly. I will not put my stamp of approval on either, though very different, brand of evil and wickedness. And those who have a problem with that will have to suck it up.

 

[thecrazyscot]

But some choices are untenable. "Would you rather die by roasting on a spit or the death of a thousand cuts?" I cannot, with any humanity or conscience, endorse or support Biden OR Trump for U.S. President. That's really what I've saying for months, more or less, regardless of false accusations and lies attached to me and my motives, baselessly. I will not put my stamp of approval on either, though very different, brand of evil and wickedness. And those who have a problem with that will have to suck it up.

Just so I understand...to you the Biden Brand of Evil (tm) and the Trump Brand of Evil (tm) are equivalent? They are equally monstrous?

 

[Patine]

Just so I understand...to you the Biden Brand of Evil (tm) and the Trump Brand of Evil (tm) are equivalent? They are equally monstrous?

Read Joe Biden's FULL votes of support for bills - especially war, foreign intervention, drug law (and law and order in general), and national security ones specifically, though corporate welfare, anti-union, anti-welfare, and anti-benefits ones are good, too - in his long Senate career. He has voted for, enthusiastically and without reservation, all of the significant state crimes committed by the U.S. Federal Government of any sort on any level, domestically and abroad, while he was Senator. What a saint, eh?