2020 US Election (Part Two)

[r16]

the distinction is so easy . Biden will be telling lies , about respecting the wish of American people . Trump will not be telling lies and be this dictator or something . Depending on who wins . And more bad news for Trump , New Turkey is talking about how they can work with Biden .

edit : Halkbank is not "owned" by the PM's family , it just just follows the decisions of the Goverment and one can then talk about the money flow . And it is actually some sword of Damocles thing , because everytime Washington wants compliance , the case of Halkbank helping lran in busting sanctions comes up .

 

[innonimatu]

There's a rumour that he is also compromised due to a scandal with a local bank there - Chalkbank or some jazz like that. As usual, those banks are owned by members of the Erdogan family, cause everything runs democratically.

There's a whole industry or rumors @Kyriakos, there's a whole industry of it...

 

[Kyriakos]

There's a whole industry or rumors @Kyriakos, there's a whole industry of it...

Sure. Do you think I said "rumor" so that I could get this non-reply, though? :/
If you need convincing that Turkey does business with Trump for a specific reason, I won't try to change your mind. I am sure there's nothing to gain either way, no?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...24a5a2-b59a-11ea-a8da-693df3d7674a_story.html

Article on Halkbank and Trump, from Wapo.

Among the most startling disclosures in John Bolton’s new book is his account of President Trump’s dealings with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The Turkey story — featuring the American president assuring Erdogan he would “take care of things” in an ongoing federal criminal investigation — may be the clearest, most continuous narrative of misconduct by Trump that has yet surfaced.

"Ongoing federal investigation" better than "rumor"? It is the same issue, which is what matters

 

[r16]

the same thing . Trump clears the PM from investigated by the hated Congregation plant , this promising district attorney Brahara or whatever . When stuff happens , oh my , the new DA in South Manhattan re-starts the investigation . lt is not a Trump thing , it is a device in Trump's hand that's likely to be transferred to Biden , soon .

 

[Kyriakos]

Biden doesn't have business deals with Turkey, though. Why think he won't allow the investigation to reach its obvious end?

On second thought - I blame Inno for letting this become a Turkey thread. What was I thinking

 

[Sommerswerd]

Agreed.
If Trump were to focus on 4 states it should be: Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, and North Carolina. They are all close, and worth a lot of EC.

FiveThirtyEight only gives Trump a 2% chance of winning if he loses Pennsylvania (Biden has a 30% chance if he loses it).
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-joe-biden-toast-if-he-loses-pennsylvania/

Trump is determined to win in Michigan, but as mentioned, it tends to lean mildly to the left. Its loss in 2016 was related to the Dems taking it for granted, and Trumps campaign to suppress/deter black voters.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...35m-black-americans-to-deter-them-from-voting

Minnesota is just a vanity project. Either part of his determination to win the whole 'rustbelt' or determination to win a state that he failed to in 2016. If the latter is the case he is better focusing on Nevada, though even Nevada is a bit of a longshot judging by the polls.

I'm not sure that Trump is making the final decisions about where and how campaign ad dollars are spent. If he is, then I can't even begin to explain why he is spending where he is spending. But if he isn't, there may be a method to the madness. At this point its clear, that if the current polling is accurate, and the results play out like the polling, Trump loses. However, we also know that Trump and Co., have been hard-signaling that they intend to try and have the election decided by the Supreme Court. That would be the best way to sidestep the vote entirely.

The best way to throw the election into the Court is with confusion and controversy and delays. If Trump is only winning states that he won in 2016, but Biden is winning states that Hillary lost, the narrative that the election is in chaos and the results can't be trusted is weak. But if Trump manages to win a state that Hillary won, or even get it in that "Too close to call" limbo, preferably in a scenario whereby the election result hinges on that particular state's result (like in 2000), then it will be much easier to sell the narrative that the election result needs to be litigated in the SCOTUS.

That's one of the reasons that it is so preferable that if Biden is to win, that it be decisive, not just in the EC but also in the popular vote as well. As politicized as the SCOTUS has become, they are still judges and I believe that they have some scruples and some sense of integrity. Even with a 6-3 majority, I have to believe that if faced with a landslide EC and popular vote Biden victory, they would reject any attempts to overturn it. But if its close, or in question, or dependent on the result of one particular state... Trump's getting 4 more years. I'm confident of that.

 

[El_Machinae]

What false things did it lead you to believe?

Well, that the press release claimed that the White House has declared the pandemic over, for one. And then, basically nothing about the underlying report.

The same damn list includes "Understanding our planet" using the same vernacular. We then spin the release to say that the White House has declared "Planet Understood"? No, it's simple reading comprehension. And anyone who reads the press release and then the report would certainly not declare that the White House has (as the article title claims) "White House Declares Pandemic Over"


So, it's terrible. If the headline of an article deceives someone and they have to dig further to figure out that it's a deception, it's bad reporting. Then I read a paragraph or two, and the headline's impression is reiterated AND the White House statement is called 'a lie'.

As usual, there is more useful information and criticism buried deeper in the article. But this trend of clickbait media deceiving people within the first few paragraphs is just terrible. I actually don't figure that the headline and first paragraph are lies until I read the actual press release itself. And then look at the report to see if there's some implication that the press release should be read in a non-obvious way.

The highlights in the press release are a series tasks. Sure, criticize the actions taken (which the article doesn't do, but does notice abscences). But falsely spinning some phrasing quirk with a selective presentation is just ... well, bad reporting.

 

[El_Machinae]

I think that's moreso my audience, here, really.

Communication is a two-way street. You can blame your audience and ignore feedback. It lets you type a lot while feeling superior. It prevents your message from being read, though. I ignore the majority of your posts because of the painful verbosity. Well, and your constant blaming of other posters, which is tiring to sift through. So, I don't.

See how I bring it full circle? Where you opened by blaming other posters?


I can go back to not reading what you write, it's easy peasy.

 

[Patine]

Communication is a two-way street. You can blame your audience and ignore feedback. It lets you type a lot while feeling superior. It prevents your message from being read, though. I ignore the majority of your posts because of the painful verbosity. Well, and your constant blaming of other posters, which is tiring to sift through. So, I don't.

See how I bring it full circle? Where you opened by blaming other posters?


I can go back to not reading what you write, it's easy peasy.

Am I to be a martyr and accept all blame and responsibility for any disconnect and sharp, unpleasant disagreements? Really?

 

[El_Machinae]

Insofar as you ignore useful (and easy) feedback. Patine, you literally blamed the other posters as your first comment on my feedback. And your final sentence was impugning either motive or a psychological analysis. So, maybe that's the reason why every disagreement becomes unpleasant.

But sigh.

Am I to be a martyr and accept all blame and responsibility for any disconnect and sharp, unpleasant disagreements? Really?

..............

Communication is a two-way street.

Am I to be a martyr and accept all blame .. ? Really?

More sigh

I think I'll give up. It costs me nothing to give up.

 

[Lexicus]

Am I to be a martyr and accept all blame and responsibility for any disconnect and sharp, unpleasant disagreements? Really?

Well, how many sharp, unpleasant disagreements do you need to get into before you start wondering "maybe it's me"?

 

[Sommerswerd]

They think things were better in the past, and they are butthurt that they aren't getting the free handouts they used to. So anyone promising to bring that back gets their support.

Make Russia, Poland, Hungary, Great Again!

Is Putin a "blowhard"? He always struck me as a speak softly and carry a network of assassins kind of guy.

Or are we talking about the graph showing that Russians like Trump more than folks in other countries?

 

[Patine]

Well, how many sharp, unpleasant disagreements do you need to get into before you start wondering "maybe it's me"?

I agree, I have my hand in all of them. But saying I am completely and only to blame for all of them would be ludicrous. But it would be highly self-serving to you, as you're certainly no angel and victim in these affairs.

 

[Kaitzilla]

The most important swing state is still Pennsylvania, and its biggest city is Philadelphia which just had a police shooting 2 days ago.

Some rioting occurred with 1000 looters, and the national guard was ordered in by the governor.

I'm not sure this election can get more crazy.

 

[aelf]

Grow up!

LOL

I agree, I have my hand in all of them. But saying I am completely and only to blame for all of them would be ludicrous. But it would be highly self-serving to you, as you're certainly no angel and victim in these affairs.

Nobody here is whining about being a victim except you.

I don't. They always have somebody to smear. When patine is gone, they start working down their list of cultural undesirables.

Oh? He seems to be doing a fine job of doing that to himself.

Moderator Action: aelf, stop the flaming, please. --LM
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Sommerswerd]

I'm not sure this election can get more crazy.

2020 Election: "Hold my beer"

 

[Farm Boy]

Or are we talking about the graph showing that Russians like Trump more than folks in other countries?

Truth or not, it doesn't matter. If one party spends 4 years hammering on how much Russians suck and are a fundamental threat, and the other one downplays it... well, there's a graph for you.

 

[Lexicus]

I agree, I have my hand in all of them. But saying I am completely and only to blame for all of them would be ludicrous. But it would be highly self-serving to you, as you're certainly no angel and victim in these affairs.

Never claimed to be, my good man. But, there is a fairly long list of posters with whom I have quite friendly interactions...

 

[Gori the Grey]

I'm not sure this election can get more crazy.

Wait

 

[Lexicus]

Wait

Do you still hold to your prediction it will be called by 1am for Biden?