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2020 US Election

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Lexicus, Nov 13, 2018.

  1. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    Obstruction itself is a crime and Trump and his minions, at his direction, lied about obstruction. Nevertheless, an underlying crime is not an element for obstruction of justice. Clinton got hit for obstruction of justice for allegedly lying in a civil deposition. Certainly no underlying crime in relations with a twenty-something intern. Thanks be to God.

    What Trump was covering up with in his obstruction was a legitimate investigation into crimes by a foreign power and several Trump associates who either plead or were found guilty.
     
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  2. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

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    To whit:

    Mueller Report, Introduction to Volume II
     
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  3. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    If Mueller is the doctor, he, like many doctors, is limited to pointing out the severe illness of the patient. Congress is the insurance company with the power to decide what to do about it.

    Trump said we could keep our doctor, but then tried to fire him behind the scenes.
     
  4. AdrienIer

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    WTF. This is the most frighteningly American thing I've ever read. It's truly shocking that this is an actual thing that doctors do there.
     
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  5. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    Can you cite anything that says that Mueller would have brought charges forward? As I said, this seems to be the divide.

    I understand my analogy. You think that Mueller would have brought charges if he thought a crime had been committed. Why do you think this?
     
  6. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    From Peggy Noonan today on US divisive politics

     
  7. Lexicus

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    Praise be to the Mar'qet; it demands the blood of humans to satisfy its thirst
     
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  8. Estebonrober

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    Very simple, if the IG finds the investigation had some merit would you concede then, FINALLY, that Trump obstructed justice and should be impeached for trying to do so? I'm pretty sure I see a straw man being beat soon, or just a total diversionary tactic coming.
     
  9. Takhisis

    Takhisis is it fall yet

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    Why do you think that healthcare is still an election issue?
     
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  10. Berzerker

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    "I'm gonna send my lawyer to Ukraine to find out something on Joe Biden's son, I mean they're doing this in plain sight... in real time. We're going to a foreign country to see if they will help us get dirt on who may be our potential candidate and we're acting like there's something normal about this?" - Al Sharpton

    That was his outraged response to the news Rudy Giuliani was heading for Ukraine to investigate an alleged relationship between Joe Biden's son and a Ukrainian 'oligarch'. Hillary Clinton paid people to get dirt from Russia on her opponent and the Reverend defended it, now he casts stones.
     
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  11. Zkribbler

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    Sigh, I've called you out on this falsehood so many times. :deadhorse: You can ride a dead horse, but it won't take you anywhere. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Zkribbler

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    Because tens of millions of voters want themselves and their children to live. :thumbsup:
     
  13. Estebonrober

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    Clinton paid a British citizen right? I mean it is still a foreign national, but he is an actual investigator. Furthermore he was not pressuring Russian officials or any government officials anywhere to pursue Trump or his family in corruption charges and such (there is no shortage of that with the Trumps mind you https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal). It seems to be a different level of foreign interference. I'm open to a law getting rid of all this though. No foreign agents, no foreign think tank involvement, no PACs, and a constitutional amendment over riding citizens united would be a good idea.
     
  14. onejayhawk

    onejayhawk Afflicted with reason

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    LOL

    That's rich. When have Doctors ever deferred to anyone, much less insurance companies?

    Recommending prosecution is their only job. That they refused to do it says that they are not concerned with the law but with the politics. Haters gotta hate and these are Trump haters.

    Be consoled. It's only his sarcasm misfiring.

    Tell that to the people trying ride the Mueller report.

    BTW It isn't false but no one cares.

    J
     
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  15. Berzerker

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    Yes... The Clinton campaign paid a NYC law firm which paid Fusion. Apparently Fusion hired Christopher Steele (former British MI6 agent) for his expertise on Russia. He used his contacts in Russia etc to compile a laundry list ("dossier") of alleged sins and leaked it to both the media and FBI before the election to defeat Trump. The irony in all this is the emails wikileaked didn't contain fabrications but the Steele Dossier did. The Russians exposed actual DNC corruption and the Democrats fed lies and rumors to media and law enforcement to fuel an investigation of their political opponents.
     
  16. Imaus

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    No, we don't.

    While the times when the US has been divided have been rather far and between :Federalists and Non-Federalists, Abolition, the Civil Rights Era, now, a few others in between: eventually it's time to call the situation as is. When the government doesn't do its damn job out of some misguided civility or outright cowardice, when each side just undoes whatever the other does when they flip in and out of power ad infinitum, it's time to press for change or call it quits. There's no law of universe saying the US had to be, or has to always be. Start a few referendums, a few colour movements, and the US can wither and break apart like anyone else.
     
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  17. brennan

    brennan Argumentative Brit

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    Mueller clearly explains why this decision was made and defers to a viewpoint that is based upon the separation of powers.

    That is nothing to do with politics and you are being extremely disingenuous.
     
  18. onejayhawk

    onejayhawk Afflicted with reason

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    It has only to do with politics. From a letter of WH counsel Emmit Flood to AG Barr. SCO is Special Counsel's Office.

    The SCO Report was legally defective when it stated that “evidence on the obstruction question prevented it from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred.” Conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred was NOT the assigned task of the SCO; especially in the American justice system where innocence is presumed and federal prosecutors are NEVER required to prove it.

    The SCO failed to do its one and only job with regard to the obstruction question — “provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel.” It did neither. Instead, it “transmitted a 182-page discussion of raw evidentiary material combined with its own inconclusive observations that will never be subjected to adversarial testing or independent analysis.”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...te-house-counsel-emmet-flood-ag-barr-n1001286

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  19. brennan

    brennan Argumentative Brit

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    Dude, that's an open admission that your characterisation of what Mueller did is wrong.
     
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  20. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    <<< Here is the problem with your post. Emmet Flood wrote a letter to support his boss. What he says was in support of Trump. Do you accept all letters written by any WH counsel to be gospel?
     
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