2020 US Election (Part One)

[Sommerswerd]

Erm is that what you meant?

I think he meant "don't" not "do"

 

[Birdjaguar]

Erm is that what you meant?

Thanks; I edited my post to make it right.

 

[onejayhawk]

This is the real import of the Flood letter. In early 2016, this was supposedly an anti-espionage investigation, but there are several problems with that explanation. I am guessing that the Inspector General has issued at least a preliminary finding of probable cause that official misconduct occurred. As a reult a Federal Prosecutor has been tasked with the case.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...to_review_origins_of_russia_probe_140321.html

This is the first domino.

J

 

[Estebonrober]

This is the real import of the Flood letter. In early 2016, this was supposedly an anti-espionage investigation, but there are several problems with that explanation. I am guessing that the Inspector General has issued at least a preliminary finding of probable cause that official misconduct occurred. As a reult a Federal Prosecutor has been tasked with the case.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...to_review_origins_of_russia_probe_140321.html

This is the first domino.

J

Seems like a pretty serious escalation. I look forward to this fire fight of lawfare. May the loser never accept the outcome of it. Escalate no matter what the reality. Fight to the death and burn the other side alive. Hail Trump!

Fwiw, you still can't put the shoe on the other foot. If Sanders had a long history of foreign business dealings with states hostile to the US and democracy at large. If he continued to have people talk to and collaborate even tacitly with those foreign interests we would be well served that our intelligence agencies looked into it. I support the CIA and FBI looking into Trumps campaign, all of his children should be indicted for conspiracy as far as I can tell. At least campaign finance violations. Again since never ending escalation seems to be the order of the day, lets just get the dance going.

Stupidity and naivety in the electorate is not an excuse for selling out your nation. You have been sold. Mainly to Saudis, Israelis, and Russians. What is becoming clear is that the republican base wants to be sold to totalitarian states, because in their heart of hearts they are totalitarian.

Edit: In a calmer reaction. Think about the reality of what they did in "spying" on Trump. They tried to protect the nation from having a Russian asset as President. If they were wrong then so be it, but they should not be prosecuted for trying to protect the nation from an obvious adversary. I will never get over the fact that you think its better that they did nothing.

 

[Berzerker]

autocrats are easier to deal with, no democracy, no legislature or judiciary to get in the way, just bribe one guy and its done

 

[onejayhawk]

Seems like a pretty serious escalation. I look forward to this fire fight of lawfare. May the loser never accept the outcome of it. Escalate no matter what the reality. Fight to the death and burn the other side alive. Hail Trump!

Fwiw, you still can't put the shoe on the other foot. If Sanders had a long history of foreign business dealings with states hostile to the US and democracy at large. If he continued to have people talk to and collaborate even tacitly with those foreign interests we would be well served that our intelligence agencies looked into it. I support the CIA and FBI looking into Trumps campaign, all of his children should be indicted for conspiracy as far as I can tell. At least campaign finance violations. Again since never ending escalation seems to be the order of the day, lets just get the dance going.

Stupidity and naivety in the electorate is not an excuse for selling out your nation. You have been sold. Mainly to Saudis, Israelis, and Russians. What is becoming clear is that the republican base wants to be sold to totalitarian states, because in their heart of hearts they are totalitarian.

Edit: In a calmer reaction. Think about the reality of what they did in "spying" on Trump. They tried to protect the nation from having a Russian asset as President. If they were wrong then so be it, but they should not be prosecuted for trying to protect the nation from an obvious adversary. I will never get over the fact that you think its better that they did nothing.

More serious than a move to impeach? I don't think so. This is a measured and targeted response.

I agree that stupid and naive electorate is no excuse for selling out the nation. But that's a subject that involves the former Secretary of State and more recent Presidential loser. This conversation is about the Obama administration and the massive scandal that is unfolding from it. That is the reality of spying on Trump. Watergate is nothing but a hiccup in comparison.

autocrats are easier to deal with, no democracy, no legislature or judiciary to get in the way, just bribe one guy and its done

Yeah. That is exactly how the BOA comes across, as autocrats bent on railroading the opposition.

J

 

[Old Hippy]

This is the first domino.

J

time

 

[onejayhawk]

The physics part of that is interesting--stored potential energy, etc. This has the look of rulebreaking that has gone on so long that the doers consider themselves above the law. It's a culture that acts as though only the other side has to follow the rules. A lot of it probably will escape account, but not all.

J

 

[cardgame]

This has the look of rulebreaking that has gone on so long that the doers consider themselves above the law. It's a culture that acts as though only the other side has to follow the rules. A lot of it probably will escape account, but not all.

J

I thought you were a Trump supporter?

 

[Takhisis]

Yes, but he's doing projection.

 

[Truthy]

take a look at the raw data to make sure, CNN lies

Nate Silver responded to this in the 538 politics podcast in this episode. I don't think there's a transcript available, so if you want to know exactly what he said, you probably have to listen to the first 10 minutes or so.

The long and short of it is that CNN was not lying or being misleading. Their sample of younger voters was small, so they didn't think it was a representative sample and so they excluded them from the table. However, they included younger voters in the overall poll results and up-weighted their answers to compensate for them being a small sample.

Why doesn't CNN just call more people instead of calling 400-something, not having any millennials answer their phones, and then dealing with sampling issues? Beause they don't feel like spending the money to do that. But it doesn't matter that much because people like Morning Consult regularly poll thousands of people and got results pretty similar to what CNN showed in this poll from around the same time.

 

[onejayhawk]

I thought you were a Trump supporter?

Trump was the subject of illegal spying.

J

 

[Estebonrober]

Trump was the subject of illegal spying.

J

I’ll be shocked if you get one indictment out of all this. You guys have been taking conspiracies and how all your political enemies are going to jail for like 30 years now and none of them do, but like a dozen of Trump campaigners are. . . Hmm

 

[Berzerker]

Trump was the subject of illegal spying.

J

It sure is looking like Carter Page was spied on for dubious reasons, he blamed the dossier.

 

[Estebonrober]

It sure is looking like Carter Page was spied on for dubious reasons, he blamed the dossier.

Didn’t Page have a long history of ties to the Russian energy sector? Wasnt he playing foreign advisor to the trump administration? Was Russia not neck deep in tampering with the election?

If the shoe was on the other foot. . .

 

[Berzerker]

The shoe is on the other foot, Biden's son sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company being investigated for corruption while Joe lobbied to get the investigator fired. That does not look good. Now what did Page do? I dont think he was doing much advising, he was just a name Trump threw out when asked for his foreign policy credentials. Apparently that made him a target for Steele and if this dossier was used to justify the spying something is rotten in Denmark.

 

[Estebonrober]

The shoe is on the other foot, Biden's son sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company being investigated for corruption while Joe lobbied to get the investigator fired. That does not look good. Now what did Page do? I dont think he was doing much advising, he was just a name Trump threw out when asked for his foreign policy credentials. Apparently that made him a target for Steele and if this dossier was used to justify the spying something is rotten in Denmark.

Except again there is no wide scale effort on the Ukraine part to troll the american election thus far, and also I'm not against them looking into it if they do start doing so and Biden's son is involved. Steele was an investigator with legit credentials before all this, so his dossier took a serious note that, I know republicans don't respect, but obviously the FBI did.

Frankly I'm not against them looking into whether Biden broke any laws by doing that as well, and I support writing laws that would make that kind of action illegal in the future. It is still a markedly different beast than what the Trump campaign was accused of doing.

 

[rah]

Yeah, if a democrat is convicted of shoplifting, a republican can be excused for murder.

 

[Old Hippy]

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Frankly I'm not against them looking into whether Biden broke any laws by doing that as well, and I support writing laws that would make that kind of action illegal in the future. It is still a markedly different beast than what the Trump campaign was accused of doing.

it will not stop at the Ukraine...

Hunter Biden also issued a statement declaring that "at no time have I discussed with my father the company’s business, or my board service, including my initial decision to join the board" of the Ukrainian energy company.

Hunter Biden's alleged dealings with China, noting how the former second son accompanied his father on an official trip to Beijing in 2013 only to then have his company link a $1 billion private equity deal with the Chinese government two weeks later.

"Hunter Biden at the time had no background in China and had little background in private equity," he wrote.

people are already checking out the company set up by him and John Kerry's son
Bohai Harvest RST with direct links to the Bank of China and the Communist party... it deals in surveillance technology...
"All politics are personal"... ''China's economic growth is very much in the interest of the United states" Biden 2013

Former Vice President Joe Biden downplayed again the threat of China, saying the Chinese economy or its influence won’t overtake the U.S., reiterating his previous stance that China is not a competitor.

China not a competitor to his personal family ambitions
he was out again last week spruiking their ''good guy'' credentials

“They can't figure out how they're going to deal with the corruption that exists within the system. They're not bad folks, folks. But guess what, they're not competition for us,” he said.


Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders tweeted “it’s wrong to pretend that China isn’t one of our major economic competitors” while Utah Sen. Mitt Romney wrote that Biden’s comments would “not age well.”

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders tweeted “it’s wrong to pretend that China isn’t one of our major economic competitors” while Utah Sen. Mitt Romney wrote that Biden’s comments would “not age well.”

Both Bernie and Mitt missed his point...that when it comes to corruption, China is no competition for the Dems

 

[rah]

But does any of this excuse Trump's sins? It more like people are trying to divert attention from it.