2022 US Election
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Who is "they" in that statement? There must be a proportion of the American
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I am not steeped enough in the Democratic Political stew enough to just pull someones name out and throw it in the ring. And for the sake of this argument, not really worth the time to examine all the candidates that are actually viable, since even then I'd be guessing who could actually win. So score a point for yourself because I cant name a candidate. The safe route for the Dems is to run out Joe again, it almost ensures a victory. But what kind of victory do you win if you don't aspire to something greater? We get a mediocre president who cant get anything done because of gridlock and stonewalling in congress (both sides do it.) We have a broken two party system and govt. cant get anything of consequence done besides bicker about whether or not to allow a biological male use a bathroom marked for females. I suppose mostly I am just frustrated at the whole system, tired of mediocre presidents tired of culture war BS, I want to see real change in America and as things stand it is not going to happen soon. It sure as hell is not going to happen with Trump or Biden.
lol, just had to get that in there, huh? Very normal thing to focus on.
Remember when Biden was considered a moderate? I do.
However, I don't remember when conservative folks were lamenting about government not getting anything done besides bicker about whether or not to allow a person of color to use the same bathroom (or water fountain) as a white person, though it seems like it'd be the same vibe. I'm certain they wouldn't have used the term 'person of color'.
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Republicans: keep trans folks out of bathrooms and sports teams while restricting medical care; drag is a bigger threat to the US than nuclear war; if a pregnant women faces severe complications late in her pregnancy, she and her fetus can go ahead and die because abortion is a sort n and women dying is a much, much less of a problem; tax breaks for the rich; denies climate science or any science except guns; wants to cut programs that help feed poor kids, women, and the elderly; and determined to find SOMETHING, ANYTHING to make the Democrats look bad.
Democrats: passed the first substantial infrastructure bill in thirty years that included major green policies; tried to get a police reform bill but were blocked by DINO Manchin in the Senate; actually did bring Covid under reasonable control; repaired US relations and image internationally; did not abandon Ukraine when the GOP's favorite dictator invaded the country; ...
Biden or any president can't do much if Congress isn't on board. That is how it is supposed to work according to the Constitution. Want real change? Vote
Democrats: passed the first substantial infrastructure bill in thirty years that included major green policies; tried to get a police reform bill but were blocked by DINO Manchin in the Senate; actually did bring Covid under reasonable control; repaired US relations and image internationally; did not abandon Ukraine when the GOP's favorite dictator invaded the country; ...
Biden or any president can't do much if Congress isn't on board. That is how it is supposed to work according to the Constitution. Want real change? Vote
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Hmm, not sure if that is a response to me, but I do vote and it does not matter if the only candidates are for the status quo and not for real change, same system same results. From what I understand the way its supposed to work is compromise. Congress's role is not supposed be gridlock at all cost. Real change I believe starts with a radical shift in the way things are done not adhering to the status quo. Way back when Bill Clinton was elected I realized, sans the culture war issues, Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same they each play the same game and support the same rotten structure. It, party politics, looks like a binary choice but its really not. Its just business as usual, the billionaire class controls things from behind the scenes and we are given the illusion of choice, Democrat Republican.
Dreadnought
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The real solution would be a new constitutional convention to address the issues with our current structure of government and to create a system where more political parties can thrive (ie, proportional representation).
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You don't even need the parties, you need a better overlap between then two. Or at least a tolerated overlap, which it's not, not very well(statewide it sometimes happens, there's Manchin, just as a love it or hate it example). You wind up "wanting" congresscritters to have allegiance to principles aside from being a party platform rubber stamp, theoretically. But they do come under pressure when they do it. And then the Illinois Democrat supermajority jerrymanders the everloving **** out of any moderates so they're not viable. Actually, that's probably what they need to hit. I still haven't figured out a methodology I like, but venal pricipleless dipfarts drawing the congressional districts with the amount of Big Data Access they have these days probably breaks the accord in pretty fundamental ways.
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Warlord
I think you mirror my point about the original intention for congress is compromise. I found an article called America Is Now the Divided Republic the Framers Feared. It supports what I am trying to convey.
From the mid-1960s through the mid-’90s, American politics had something more like a four-party system, with liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans alongside liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. Conservative Mississippi Democrats and liberal New York Democrats might have disagreed more than they agreed in Congress, but they could still get elected on local brands. You could have once said the same thing about liberal Vermont Republicans and conservative Kansas Republicans. Depending on the issue, different coalitions were possible, which allowed for the kind of fluid bargaining the constitutional system requires.
America Is Now the Divided Republic the Framers Feared
John Adams worried that “a division of the republic into two great parties … is to be dreaded as the great political evil.” And that’s exactly what has come to pass.
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Fear clicking does its part. If you think that the POTUS is first and foremost a cheerleader, and that is what being an executive is, then the algorithm of bad news gets to being more and more effective yellow journalism drowning out competing voices of direction. Now in our pockets, all the time.
Lexicus
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America became the divided republic, with literal political parties, the thing the Founders feared, while they were all still alive.
schlaufuchs
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Also elections were big and popular, and regular people followed the day-to-day goings-on in the congressional chambers with great interest and eagerness.
This was also bad! The founders (except Jefferson) did not like this, and complained about it constantly! Popular participation, a broad franchise, public scrutiny of political events, and commoner elected officials all run directly contrary to the vision set down in the Constitution and Federalist Papers, and that stuff all happened pretty much immediately.
This was also bad! The founders (except Jefferson) did not like this, and complained about it constantly! Popular participation, a broad franchise, public scrutiny of political events, and commoner elected officials all run directly contrary to the vision set down in the Constitution and Federalist Papers, and that stuff all happened pretty much immediately.
So they totally saw it coming, but still set up the voting system in the way most likely to result in that, FPTP?
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seems arizona's signatures had issues after all. some interesting stuff going on over the 2022 elections in court there right now.
From yesterday
Arizona judge rejects Kari Lake’s final 2022 election lawsuit
By Kyung Lah and Eric Bradner, CNNUpdated 7:14 PM EDT, Tue May 23, 2023
"... In what Lake’s team had billed as a “BIG Announcement,” the Republican told reporters Tuesday that she plans to raise money for her legal team to push its challenge of the 2022 gubernatorial result to the US Supreme Court....."
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many votes were illegal, easily greater than margin of victory. signatures did not match at scale...the process for validating them showed serious issues too (aka mass marking votes valid w/o checking in 2022). the court's ruling on this goes directly against law. this absolutely can and should got to scotus.
the judge is *lying*. "“clear and convincing evidence or a preponderance of evidence” that misconduct was committed in last fall’s Arizona election." is not the required standard to invalidate the election.
you don't need "misconduct" for her case to be valid. all you need is to demonstrate that votes that were counted should not have been per law. she did that, there were plenty of invalid votes that were counted, far beyond margin of victory.
Ziggy Stardust
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Bollocks.
