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83% of US doctors considering quitting because of Obamacare

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Dreadnought, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. Dreadnought

    Dreadnought Deity

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    Thanks for the post!

    Care to post out Form's deliciously logical counter to the survey?

    Because, quite frankly, I find it depressing that you didn't instead name BvBPL, with his beautiful response. Sad. :(

    Oh, you silly goose. Is it that time of month again for you?

    Finally, a few worthwhile responses.

    It's funny how media news sources highlight things like the mandate as the worst part of Obamacare, where the real issues lie with the new regulations to be implemented against doctors.

    My father's hospital, for one, is delighted that the government will pay for the 40% of total patients who do not pay for their own healthcare. Yet, this pay will be docketed from other, more upscale hospitals in states that have tremendously successful healthcare statistics, leading to an overall downgrade of healthcare quality in the country.

    There's also the point of the new regulations. I work with doctors on a daily basis for my job. They are not delighted by the new role government has in healthcare. With Obamacare, doctors now must submit hundreds and hundreds of personal medical statistics to the government every year, tracking things such as post-surgery infection rate and recovery times. If a certain percentage of the doctors' patients have issues, then they will see their pay reduced -- except, hello, doctors cannot possibly control all aspects of a patient's health after their procedure or time in care. It's utterly ridiculous.

    I was going to use that line!

    Just doing my part.
     
  2. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    So the question is, Dreadnought: do you believe that 83% of US doctors are considering quitting because of Obamacare? Or do you believe that 83% of the doctors who returned the survey are considering quitting?
     
  3. kochman

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    This is obviously the case... the pissed off docs, that won't quit unless they are financially set, returned it, saying they were pissed... motivated by, being pissed... in the American sense of the term (and potentially the British sense as well).
     
  4. Dreadnought

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    I believe that a sizeable majority, whether 83% or otherwise, oppose the new regulations set by Obamacare.
     
  5. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    :lol:

    Even though that's not what the data you supplied supports?
     
  6. Dreadnought

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    I would assume, if someone claims they are considering quitting over Obamacare, they oppose it.
     
  7. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    My point being, that your data says that 83% of the 4.7% who bothered to respond said they would quit because of the ACA. That's actually 3% of the 16,000 doctors surveyed, not 83%. Thus, your data does not reflect that even a sizable majority of doctors oppose ACA, or even an amount worth regretting being lost.

    In addition, by your logic, if the doctors who all wanted to quit were the ones who bothered to respond, the other doctors surveyed who did not bother to respond could equally be assumed to not want to quit because of the ACA, and thus do not oppose it.

    And finally, I should think you would feel safer with the doctors doing it for the money leaving the industry.
     
  8. Dreadnought

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    4.7%, while not high, is certainly not a terrible turnout for a survey. That being said, we cannot assume that those who did not respond are in favor of Obamacare, just as we cannot say that those that did not respond are against it. Wouldn't you, if you supported Obamacare, want to respond to the survey?

    With the questions the survey gave, I'd say those that didn't respond are most likely apathetic at best, or hesitant (though not willing to quit their profession) at worst.
     
  9. Dirichlet

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    Complaining about the sample size being too small is silly. If it was a truly random sample from the population at sample the 95% confidence interval for ratio of doctors considering quitting would be between 80% and 86%, which would not change the message at all.

    The real problem here is selection bias - first, they only choose doctors of which they had fax numbers. This explains the high amount of single practioners. But the major thing is that someone who wants to rant is just much more motivated to answer the questions.

    Also note that "consider quitting" is not a well-posed question, because it does not say whether the consideration was serious or just an irritated moment.

    So, please shred the study for what it actually did wrong, instead of going the "OMG, sample size" route.
     
  10. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Yeah, because your worldview hinges on that being true. But the data doesn't say that.
     
  11. Dreadnought

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    I too crunched the numbers and got a interval of approximately 77% -> 88%.

    I'm speaking from a rational perspective. We'll never know why the doctors didn't respond to the survey. Maybe a bunch of the offices simply threw it out as spam. We'll never know.
     
  12. Leoreth

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    This sounds like a worthwhile topic to discuss. Why didn't you make that the OP instead?

    I don't see the need to divert attention from this apparently valid concern by making everyone talk about an obviously biased, statistically dubious survey instead.
     
  13. Turquoiside

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    If you wanted us to humor you and your obviously flawed survey, you should have tried posting in the right forum.
     
  14. Dreadnought

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    If you wanted me to humor you with a dignified response, you should have posted something more worthwhile.
     
  15. Turquoiside

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    I couldn't care less if you hadn't even bothered to read it.
     
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    Hang no fewer than one hundred known doctors, rich men, bloodsuckers.
     
  17. Dreadnought

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    Use them as an example for the others!
     
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    Most Doctors in Britain opposed the national health service before it was implemented, most then worked for the national health service, I doubt many are opposed to it now.

    So I would not expect many to quit.
     
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    What do you assume if they don't answer a survey?
     
  20. emzie

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    A 4.7% response rate is horrendous / hilarious if you don't do anything to normalize the data. The survey you cited didn't even do so much as weigh respondents based on demographics. I'd give it less weight than a CFC poll.
     

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