9th Civ: It's Sweden

[AriochIV]

I'll probably play Celts first; it seems the obvious choice to check out the Faith/Religion mechanics.

 

[Snoopaloop]

Good thing Sweden isn't getting a UU that replaces the frigate:

http://www.vasamuseet.se/en/The-Ship/The-sinking/

 

[sumodaz]

Good thing Sweden isn't getting a UU that replaces the frigate:

http://www.vasamuseet.se/en/The-Ship/The-sinking/

If you ever come to Stockholm, make sure you see the 'Vasa', it really is incredible! I'm no ship building expert but just by looking at it you can see its just too tall.

I'm very happy Sweden have been included, I would have liked Poland to be thrown in there too (maybe instead of Austria) but we can't have everything we wish for i guess.

I really can't wait for G&K's

 

[Le Sage]

Sweden is in? Maybe I have to get this expansion after all. I hate it how they do this to me. One day, I hate the game like the plague, and the next, it's just as awesome as sliced bread.

I love to have Sweden in my game, since I want to kick their rears really bad. Hakkaa Päälle!

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Hakkaa Päälle!

Are you Finnish? You may want to take a look at the Swedish UU's before you get to far ahead of yourself.

 

[HorribleHarald]

Sweden is a good choice because the expansion pack focus on wars of religion. Perhaps even better choice could be Moors civ what I expected but Swe civ sounds nice too. Hakkaa Päälle!!!

 

[Snoopaloop]

If you ever come to Stockholm, make sure you see the 'Vasa', it really is incredible! I'm no ship building expert but just by looking at it you can see its just too tall.

I'm very happy Sweden have been included, I would have liked Poland to be thrown in there too (maybe instead of Austria) but we can't have everything we wish for i guess.

I really can't wait for G&K's

I would definitely agree with that. I took a trip to Stockholm last February. The Vasa Museum is absolutely amazing! I still can't believe they were able to retrieve that ship from the water.

 

[Zipa_DH]

Maan, you guys shouldn't be complaining. If this was the other way around, if they had revealed Swedish and Netherlands first, and only just now revealed Ethiopia or Mayans, you would all be pretty happy.

Just think of Civ4 and the cluster crash amount of Civs in the game by the end. The Zulus will come, Portugal will come, hell, maybe even Sumer or Sioux.

Personally, I think that 2K should spent the next 12 months dropping a total of six Civs, and then about a year from now we get an extra seven or eight civs, hopefully some of them modern, like the deliciously cool Ethiopian leader.

My personal fantasy for Civ 5 goes like this:

Romania - Stephen the great (with Impalers as a UU

Majaphit

Sioux - Sitting bull

Zulu - SHAKA BRAAAH

Brazil - Pedro


Expansion pack released, Modern Game expansion, which I think is a great idea. I know someone was saying that a modern game expansion would be lame because Civ is so great for learning about history and all that, we already have enough of that in civ, lets expand late game a little bit, and add some modern civs. It makes no sense for Canada to be around in 10,000 bc, but same goes for The Huns being around in 2010.
in the expansion pack I would like

Mexico - Benito

Soviet Union - Lenin

Communist China - Mao

Israel - Solomon

Portugal - Embarked units can

Tibet - Songtsän Gampo: +5 culture from all mountians, UB: Monk Monestary, UU: Monk Warriors, +2 happiness when fortified.

And if 2K suddenly decided to make me really, REALLY happy...
Final DLC pack, Fantasy pack.


Atlantis - King Triton : Build Cities on water tiles only


Camelot - King Arthur

...

then a cross over DLC pack

Koopa Kingdom: Bowser, all units get higher defense. Better castles, Hammer Bros. replace infantry


Springfield: Mayor Quinby


Starship Federation: Capt. Piccard - For every science discovered +5 culture.

I want mayor Quimby and king Triton for next DLCs

 

[Zipa_DH]

I think Argentina would be a better choice than Gran Colombia for being the 3rd South American civ,since the only reason to add Gran Colombia is only because of the popularity of Simon Bolivar in Spaniard Latin America .

popularity isn't the reason, San Martin are more popular than Bolivar, maybe the reason would be that he founded 5 of the 12 countries of South America?

 

[SuperWaffle247]

I think for diversity's sake Colombia is more interesting than Argentina, if we assume Brazil would also be added. Buenos Aires should absolutely be a Maritime city state however.

Who do people think should lead Argentina? Peron?

 

[Liex]

I think for diversity's sake Colombia is more interesting than Argentina, if we assume Brazil would also be added. Buenos Aires should absolutely be a Maritime city state however.

Who do people think should lead Argentina? Peron?

Perón or Rosas for leader, sure (I wrote a suggestion about Argentina here, with the Peróns sharing the leader scene). But I think that Argentina's chances to be included in this game are too remote, so Buenos Aires should be added as a Cultural CS (It's an important port, its inhabitants are even called 'porteños', but I think its cultural importance is even stronger).

 

[Radu_Magus]

Since they like to put so many female leaders, maybe Argentina's leader could be Evita. I think it would be cool.

 

[EMT]

Why do people nominate modern-day countries for Civilization? The game is called civilization, not country or nation-state last that I checked. I don't see any thing distinguishing that would merit Argentina being its own civilization. And this goes for other modern countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or South Africa. Other than an independence movement that succeeded, Latin America has nothing in its favor when compared to other civilizations in the game(not that Latin America is in and of itself a civilization anyway), and I say this as a Latin American as well.

If you want Bolivar, then nominate a Bolivarian Empire, because Gran Colombia is in no way a civilization. We have Huns, don't we?

 

[Mango Elephant]

Why do people nominate modern-day countries for Civilization? The game is called civilization, not country or nation-state last that I checked. I don't see any thing distinguishing that would merit Argentina being its own civilization. And this goes for other modern countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or South Africa. Other than an independence movement that succeeded, Latin America has nothing in its favor when compared to other civilizations in the game(not that Latin America is in and of itself a civilization anyway), and I say this as a Latin American as well.

If you want Bolivar, then nominate a Bolivarian Empire, because Gran Colombia is in no way a civilization. We have Huns, don't we?

Several things. You say Latin America has nothing when compared to other civilizations. As a Latin American, I'm a bit offended that you can lump all our cultures together into ... nothing. Because Latin America has no civilizations as of yet, so we're very underrepresented (The Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca do not speak a Romantic language and so they aren't Latin American). If I may be so forward, our lack of inclusion gives us an edge over almost every other region in the world because of we can diversify a game that's already so Euro-centric.

Secondly, how would you define civilization? I shall tear asunder your arguments after you have answered this crucial question.

 

[Liex]

The game is called civilization, not country or nation-state last that I checked.

I have to endorse Mango Elephant's question. What is Civilization to you? Is Sweden "its own civilization"? What about the United States (and most of the currently featured civs)? Does the game have to stick to the concept of 'civilization' you have in your mind?

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: The current discussion is barely related to the topic of the thread. Please do not continue the discussion on which civs you think 'deserve' to be in the game.

 

[Zipa_DH]

Why do people nominate modern-day countries for Civilization? The game is called civilization, not country or nation-state last that I checked. I don't see any thing distinguishing that would merit Argentina being its own civilization. And this goes for other modern countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or South Africa. Other than an independence movement that succeeded, Latin America has nothing in its favor when compared to other civilizations in the game(not that Latin America is in and of itself a civilization anyway), and I say this as a Latin American as well.

If you want Bolivar, then nominate a Bolivarian Empire, because Gran Colombia is in no way a civilization. We have Huns, don't we?

Gran Colombia was a republic, not an empire, so, that not be called empire, New Zeland is part of Polynesian lands, so, they're represented in game. Gran Colombia or Imperio do Brasil aren't modern-day nations, because they changed through history, it's like say that Germany must not be in game because is a modern-day nation, Latin America cannot be taken like european or native american civlizations because they aren't the same thing, latin americans are mestizos, not indians or white men, they are a different group, with unique culture, history and traditions, even the languages are different, latin american spanish is different to european spanish, so, Gran Colombia isn't Muisca confederation, or Virreinato de la Nueva Granada, is a civilization, non european, and non native american

 

[Glassmage]

Honestly Latin America is pretty boring... What "unique" things do they have? Like Brazil. UA: Amazon Forest - chop trees give you more production?

 

[GenjiKhan]

Honestly Latin America is pretty boring... What "unique" things do they have? Like Brazil. UA: Amazon Forest - chop trees give you more production?

If you choose UA,UU and UB based on stereotypes,you'll make very bad choices . This kind of UA is similar of giving a penalty of -1 for USA units or giving double per population for Japan/Korea/China . Brazil can be a pretty unique civilization,with a nice UA,UU and UB if it's chosen based on their history,rather on their stereotypes .

 

[Mango Elephant]

Honestly Latin America is pretty boring... What "unique" things do they have? Like Brazil. UA: Amazon Forest - chop trees give you more production?

I agree with the UA. It's about as stupid as having Sweden's UA be Nobel Prize. Actually, it's less stupid, a lot less stupid. And in all honesty, I could see something like that for Brazil, a nation that was literally named after a tree.

And it might be your opinion we're boring, but I think the majority would agree with me, a civilization (in real life, not in the game) based around salsa dancing, margaritas, drug wars, powerful mountains, corruption, and the like is a lot more interesting than Sweden or many civs in the game could ever be.