JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Yay, see? Now, for Mergle and BSmith, ok?
A Tale of One City [Game Thread]
- Thread starter Skwink
- Start date
Well, crap. 
Zack
99% hot gas
Long night...
Diana Abnoba
Warlord
Yeah, all I hear is crickets.
Skwink
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End of night 6
Once again, one of them had died. Sadly for Daveshack, he'd been chosen this night to meet the afterlife.
Spoiler :
Living
1) General Olaf
5) Verarde
6) Mergle
10) choxorn
13) BSmith1068
15) Jarrema
19) Joecoolyo
20) JoanK
22) Darth Caesar
23) Yoshiegg737
Dead
1) Red_Spy --Lynched day 1 --Innocent
2) Classical_Hero --Killed night 1 --Innocent
3) Ninjacow64 --Lynched day 2--Mafia
4) MoreEpicThanYou --killed night 1--Innocent
5) BigTin --Lynched day 3-- Mafia
6) Diana Abnoba --Killed night 3-- Innocent
7) Zack --lynched day 4-- Innocent
8) Johnhughthom --killed night 4-- innocent
9) MjM --Wog'd day 5-- innocent
10) CELTICEMPIRE --wog'd day 5-- innocent
11) Askthepizzaguy --lynched day 5 -- innocent
12) LordNwahs-- wog'd day 5-- innocent
13) Kennigit --killed night 5--innocent
14) Landlubber --lynched day 6-- innocent
15) Daveshack --killed night 6-- innocent
Day 7 ends in 48 hours
If both Mergle and BSmith are innocent, I'll eat my hat.
Between the two, I'd say Mergle is more likely to be mafia. His vote on NinjaCow was very late, and his vote on BigTin was in the middle of the pack, a great hiding place for mafia. He's also been pretty lurkery, posting little more than a vote with "I agree with what other people have said" reasoning on most days if that, and the posts that contain more than this don't contain much of anything that isn't fluff or random nonsense.
Between the two, I'd say Mergle is more likely to be mafia. His vote on NinjaCow was very late, and his vote on BigTin was in the middle of the pack, a great hiding place for mafia. He's also been pretty lurkery, posting little more than a vote with "I agree with what other people have said" reasoning on most days if that, and the posts that contain more than this don't contain much of anything that isn't fluff or random nonsense.
Optical
The Fall of the Eleventh
Yeah, I'll go with that. Mergle
Yoshiegg737
Jungo Jungo
Yeah, alright
Mergle
Mergle
Makes sense to lynch me. Unfortunately, I'm innocent, but so it goes.
Now landlubber's known innocent, it's apparent we've been chasing shadows for awhjile - all the serious candidates for lynch (me, ATPG, landlubber) have been innocent, so voting patterns don't give us much to go on. Kennigit gave the best analysis acouple of nights ago, which is why the mafia killed him I guess - he was clearly the sharpest of us. I think Olaf is probably town, because he convinced me of bigtin's guilt and made that lynch happen. Jarrema shades innocent as he first pointed out bigtin's suspicious behaviour, but that was well before any lynch danger and he may just have been deploying distancing. I really disagree with choxorn's analysis of what my posts have been, but then I disagreed with landlubbers, so maybe I just haven't been that sharp this game. (I picked up on bigtin early, note my agreement with Jarrema's FoS, but apart from that have been soundly off-target. But then, so has absolutely everyone else). But I certainly don't think I've been lurkery, once I realised I was actually playing and had a chance to catch up!
If BSmith is mafia, he's played a blinder.
Overall, I note Yoshiegg has been trying to slide under the radar, doing the minimum necessary to not be WOG'd without doing anything to draw attention to himself. Mafia haven't needed to swing the vote recently because we've been tearing ourselves apart for them. I don't expect anyone to follow this vote, but when I flip innocent you'll be able to take it for what it's worth.
Sorry, town. And good luck!
Now landlubber's known innocent, it's apparent we've been chasing shadows for awhjile - all the serious candidates for lynch (me, ATPG, landlubber) have been innocent, so voting patterns don't give us much to go on. Kennigit gave the best analysis acouple of nights ago, which is why the mafia killed him I guess - he was clearly the sharpest of us. I think Olaf is probably town, because he convinced me of bigtin's guilt and made that lynch happen. Jarrema shades innocent as he first pointed out bigtin's suspicious behaviour, but that was well before any lynch danger and he may just have been deploying distancing. I really disagree with choxorn's analysis of what my posts have been, but then I disagreed with landlubbers, so maybe I just haven't been that sharp this game. (I picked up on bigtin early, note my agreement with Jarrema's FoS, but apart from that have been soundly off-target. But then, so has absolutely everyone else). But I certainly don't think I've been lurkery, once I realised I was actually playing and had a chance to catch up!
If BSmith is mafia, he's played a blinder.
Overall, I note Yoshiegg has been trying to slide under the radar, doing the minimum necessary to not be WOG'd without doing anything to draw attention to himself. Mafia haven't needed to swing the vote recently because we've been tearing ourselves apart for them. I don't expect anyone to follow this vote, but when I flip innocent you'll be able to take it for what it's worth.
Sorry, town. And good luck!
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Of course, Mergle.
After two days saying I'll vote for him, now is the right time to do it.
After two days saying I'll vote for him, now is the right time to do it.
Kennigit
proud 2 boxer
nah I was just wrong; mafia should have killed me since I gave the least information (killing others would eliminate certain possible mafia-pairs). Townies shouldn't use deaths as proof for arguments though anyways (imo). Too metagamey and way too often wrong.
I'm going to hold off on voting for mergle at the moment. The last few certain cases have not worked out for us. I'm beginning to think that the remaining mafia member(s) are lurkers. I don't have time today, but tomorrow I am going to try to go through the thread again and see if I can't get some ideas.
Where the hell is everyone? Fat lot of good we are going to do if nobody talks about anything.
Darth Caesar. Speak up man. What are your thoughts on this? You only have 5 posts all game. Why the hell havent you been WOGd yet? Yoshi you only have 4 posts. Same goes for you Id like to hear more from you.
A note on Mergle. I am leaning away from him being guilty simply because he is actively standing up for me. If he were guilty, he wouldn't be going out of his way to downplay the suspicion on me as he would like to keep me as a possible lynch target.
And now for some thread analysis. Subject: Choxorn.
After a few more fluff posts, he has this one, main purpose of which is to add credibility to the idea that I am scummy, when in reality I have just called out two mafia members and have caught Big Tin red handed trying to save his buddy. I immediately ask him to clarify how I am acting scummy, to which he has no answer.
At this point Big Tin has 3 votes against him not an insurmountable number that could be turned around. After three more votes for Big Tin are made in quick succession, he changes his mind and decides to jump on the wagon.
The writing is on the wall for Big Tin at this point and he is scrambling to get in on the right side of the action.
He makes another fluff post, to which ATPG asks him to provide some of his top suspects. He doesnt comply. In fact I dont think he ever has in this game.
Here he misquotes landlubber to make him look worse than he is. Now I along with many of you were also wrong on the landlubber issue, but this now looks like a deliberate push to help lynch landlubber, who with hindsight we now know was innocent. He is called on it, claims he misread the post, but doesnt change his vote or add any other analysis to the issue.
Next day vote on landlubber, but with a side kick to the now known innocent Zack.
More pressure on Zack. At this is right after I come off of Zack and change my vote to landlubber.
A couple more votes for landlubber follow, and then his most recent post in the game:
The overall theme here: keep pushing on the likely suspects, but dont offer much analysis or advice of your own. My take on this: scummy as hell. For that, I am going to vote for choxorn today. Please convince me I am wrong on this.
Darth Caesar. Speak up man. What are your thoughts on this? You only have 5 posts all game. Why the hell havent you been WOGd yet? Yoshi you only have 4 posts. Same goes for you Id like to hear more from you.
A note on Mergle. I am leaning away from him being guilty simply because he is actively standing up for me. If he were guilty, he wouldn't be going out of his way to downplay the suspicion on me as he would like to keep me as a possible lynch target.
And now for some thread analysis. Subject: Choxorn.
Third on the Nija wagon, and his first post of substance in the game. Not necessarily a scummy move, but Nija had been acting pretty scummy at this point so it could be an active attempt to gain town cred by bussing him.
After a few more fluff posts, he has this one, main purpose of which is to add credibility to the idea that I am scummy, when in reality I have just called out two mafia members and have caught Big Tin red handed trying to save his buddy. I immediately ask him to clarify how I am acting scummy, to which he has no answer.
At this point Big Tin has 3 votes against him not an insurmountable number that could be turned around. After three more votes for Big Tin are made in quick succession, he changes his mind and decides to jump on the wagon.
The writing is on the wall for Big Tin at this point and he is scrambling to get in on the right side of the action.
He makes another fluff post, to which ATPG asks him to provide some of his top suspects. He doesnt comply. In fact I dont think he ever has in this game.
Here he misquotes landlubber to make him look worse than he is. Now I along with many of you were also wrong on the landlubber issue, but this now looks like a deliberate push to help lynch landlubber, who with hindsight we now know was innocent. He is called on it, claims he misread the post, but doesnt change his vote or add any other analysis to the issue.
Next day vote on landlubber, but with a side kick to the now known innocent Zack.
More pressure on Zack. At this is right after I come off of Zack and change my vote to landlubber.
A couple more votes for landlubber follow, and then his most recent post in the game:
The overall theme here: keep pushing on the likely suspects, but dont offer much analysis or advice of your own. My take on this: scummy as hell. For that, I am going to vote for choxorn today. Please convince me I am wrong on this.
Skwink
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End of day 7
The people picked Mergle today. As he walked to the gallows, they prayed that they'd find a mafia today, as their numbers were growing thin.
Spoiler :
Spoiler :
Living
1) General Olaf
5) Verarde
10) choxorn
13) BSmith1068
15) Jarrema
19) Joecoolyo
20) JoanK
22) Darth Caesar
23) Yoshiegg737
Dead
1) Red_Spy --Lynched day 1 --Innocent
2) Classical_Hero --Killed night 1 --Innocent
3) Ninjacow64 --Lynched day 2--Mafia
4) MoreEpicThanYou --killed night 1--Innocent
5) BigTin --Lynched day 3-- Mafia
6) Diana Abnoba --Killed night 3-- Innocent
7) Zack --lynched day 4-- Innocent
8) Johnhughthom --killed night 4-- innocent
9) MjM --Wog'd day 5-- innocent
10) CELTICEMPIRE --wog'd day 5-- innocent
11) Askthepizzaguy --lynched day 5 -- innocent
12) LordNwahs-- wog'd day 5-- innocent
13) Kennigit --killed night 5--innocent
14) Landlubber --lynched day 6-- innocent
15) Daveshack --killed night 6-- innocent
16) Mergle --lynched day 7-- innocent
Night 7 ends in 24 hours.
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Dead Person Comment:
@Skwink: I hope you meant 24 hours, as 254 is roughly 10 and a half days.
@BSmith: In the future, I would prefer it if you refer to me as "Ninja", "NinjaCow", "NC" or just plain old "NinjaCow64". However, I do not like the title "Nija". It was probably a typo but still.
@Skwink: I hope you meant 24 hours, as 254 is roughly 10 and a half days.
@BSmith: In the future, I would prefer it if you refer to me as "Ninja", "NinjaCow", "NC" or just plain old "NinjaCow64". However, I do not like the title "Nija". It was probably a typo but still.
Well, Bsmith, maybe you're right about a lurker or two being mafia, but you're wrong about me. Well, depending on your point of view. I'm still leaning towards you being one of the mafia, in which case you're not wrong, you're just making stuff up.
For one thing, third on the bandwagon hasn't been a useful scumtell in years. For another thing, "First Post of substance?" It was on Day 2, almost nobody posts anything of substance on Day 1.
Well, by that point, Zack and ATPG had already pointed out some reasons why I thought you were scummy, and I also thought you were scummy because of the intentional usage of things like the rolleyes and "we we we" followed by a couple of posts like this one...
...which basically said "Hey look at me guys I'm innocent! Stop suspecting me!" I've seen innocents do things like this, too, but that doesn't mean it isn't scummy, and I thought you warranted a vote for it.
Yes, I switched my vote to BigTin. He'd managed to act far scummier than I thought you were acting. At the time, I didn't think the mafia would bus two of their own, so I didn't think you were both mafia. Maybe I'll have to rethink that.
Again, it was early in the game. I didn't have much in the way of suspects by that point, and the only "Top" ones I had were you, BigTin, and landlubber, later on in the day. I probably should have said as much, I admit. In my defense, this was during one of ATPG's "Post Every 5 Minutes" modes, And I tend to pay less attention and respond to him less when he, or anyone else, does that early in the game.
And I did give my suspects here, when Kennigit was asking for some from everyone. Stop pretending I've done nothing but lurker-wagoning the entire game.
I honestly did misread his post, and I honestly did think his quick retreating was scummy. By that point, BigTin had about 12 votes on him, how could I honestly expect to get anyone else lynched that day if I was his partner? Switching the vote at this point to try to save BigTin would just be stupid and make me look bad. Isn't it more reasonable that I'm innocent, thought landlubber was acting scummy enough to be worth a vote for pressure if nothing else, and thought that putting pressure on someone I thought was scummy was a better use of my vote than having it be one more on the massive bandwagon of someone whose lynch was pretty much assured?
You can't seriously suspect me for thinking landlubber and Zack could be mafia when you and about 10 other players thought exactly the same thing.
Zack was being a hypocrite with that claim about ATPG, and I called him out on it. Not seeing your point here.
I'll admit, I have been mostly voting for people that were already very suspicious. And yes, I voted landlubber 4 days in a row. I spend days focusing on one suspect, regardless of my alignment, if I think they're just way too scummy to be left alive, which I thought landlubber was. For a similar example of me acting like this: Netherworld III on the .org, where I (innocent) incessantly voted for (also innocent) TheLastDays, and completely failed to see any of the actual scum for a while.
But I have been offering some analysis with every vote, even if I haven't made any giant cases, and even if I haven't really had the time (I had finals last week, and was kind of busy during that time and a bit before that) to make giant text-wall posts like you, or Zack, or ATPG.
If you're innocent, go check one of the true lurkers, not me, one of the people who have been posting the absolute bear minimum, the people who have been posting literally nothing except bandwagon votes. But I can't help but think you're not innocent.
For one thing, third on the bandwagon hasn't been a useful scumtell in years. For another thing, "First Post of substance?" It was on Day 2, almost nobody posts anything of substance on Day 1.
Well, by that point, Zack and ATPG had already pointed out some reasons why I thought you were scummy, and I also thought you were scummy because of the intentional usage of things like the rolleyes and "we we we" followed by a couple of posts like this one...
I'm glad someone noticed.
That rule will need some updating after this game is over...
...which basically said "Hey look at me guys I'm innocent! Stop suspecting me!" I've seen innocents do things like this, too, but that doesn't mean it isn't scummy, and I thought you warranted a vote for it.
Yes, I switched my vote to BigTin. He'd managed to act far scummier than I thought you were acting. At the time, I didn't think the mafia would bus two of their own, so I didn't think you were both mafia. Maybe I'll have to rethink that.
Again, it was early in the game. I didn't have much in the way of suspects by that point, and the only "Top" ones I had were you, BigTin, and landlubber, later on in the day. I probably should have said as much, I admit. In my defense, this was during one of ATPG's "Post Every 5 Minutes" modes, And I tend to pay less attention and respond to him less when he, or anyone else, does that early in the game.
And I did give my suspects here, when Kennigit was asking for some from everyone. Stop pretending I've done nothing but lurker-wagoning the entire game.
I honestly did misread his post, and I honestly did think his quick retreating was scummy. By that point, BigTin had about 12 votes on him, how could I honestly expect to get anyone else lynched that day if I was his partner? Switching the vote at this point to try to save BigTin would just be stupid and make me look bad. Isn't it more reasonable that I'm innocent, thought landlubber was acting scummy enough to be worth a vote for pressure if nothing else, and thought that putting pressure on someone I thought was scummy was a better use of my vote than having it be one more on the massive bandwagon of someone whose lynch was pretty much assured?
You can't seriously suspect me for thinking landlubber and Zack could be mafia when you and about 10 other players thought exactly the same thing.
Zack was being a hypocrite with that claim about ATPG, and I called him out on it. Not seeing your point here.
I'll admit, I have been mostly voting for people that were already very suspicious. And yes, I voted landlubber 4 days in a row. I spend days focusing on one suspect, regardless of my alignment, if I think they're just way too scummy to be left alive, which I thought landlubber was. For a similar example of me acting like this: Netherworld III on the .org, where I (innocent) incessantly voted for (also innocent) TheLastDays, and completely failed to see any of the actual scum for a while.
But I have been offering some analysis with every vote, even if I haven't made any giant cases, and even if I haven't really had the time (I had finals last week, and was kind of busy during that time and a bit before that) to make giant text-wall posts like you, or Zack, or ATPG.
If you're innocent, go check one of the true lurkers, not me, one of the people who have been posting the absolute bear minimum, the people who have been posting literally nothing except bandwagon votes. But I can't help but think you're not innocent.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
ghost comment:
Gah! + Shame. Sorry.
Gah! + Shame. Sorry.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Gosh. Now someone will have to think and discuss... 
But I'll vote BSmith tomorrow if nobody convinces me of the other.
But I'll vote BSmith tomorrow if nobody convinces me of the other.
@BSmith: In the future, I would prefer it if you refer to me as "Ninja", "NinjaCow", "NC" or just plain old "NinjaCow64". However, I do not like the title "Nija". It was probably a typo but still.
Gah. It was indeed a typo, even if I did it twice in a row. Sorry about that.
@Choxorn: Thank you for your responses to my concerns. With so little activity (and discussion) in the thread we need to start pressuring people a little bit. In my mind you seemed like someone that needed a little prodding.
@Everyone: We need to up the level of discussion here. No one is free of suspicion at this point. The only way we are going to figure this out is if we keep talking and not let the remaining mafia member(s) keep hiding. We used to have a lot of time to work through this, but we have squandered it. Let’s get more active and start pressuring more people – OK? Feel free to begin with asking me things – since you all still seem to think I am guilty (I am not, and lynching me will be one more day wasted in the hunt for the real killers).
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