Adventures of the Vietnamese (III)

[12tn2]

I think its because the shape of your civ is similar to that of Korea. it could also be referencing North Korea, with its extremely horrible situation it has. You are literally only going to survive because of the pryamids and that iron when it comes down to it.

Yes. Your penisula really looks like Korea.

Ah I see it now Now that I've come to think of it, this pangaea really looks like the real world Asia, or particularly Russia itself. Don't you think so?
Oh, and welcome, christos200 from Athens! Are you a Christian? Unfortunately Alexander is a Hinduism follower in this game If that makes you hate Alex, then great! For we have liquidated him in the last adventure, and there's no guarantee it won't happen this time

TAKE PETER first. he has a iron, meaning he can become a threat. also, since his capital is such high quality, it will be useful.

Good point! Especially when he's weakened from the last war. Personally I think attacking the weakest is usually the best when it's difficult in choosing a victim

 

[christos200]

Alex is Hinduist? Kill Alex!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vietnamese Soldier :suicide: Alex

 

[Daedwartin]

Good point! Especially when he's weakened from the last war. Personally I think attacking the weakest is usually the best when it's difficult in choosing a victim

Thats the reason why its considered the best place on the score charts is in the middle. Too weak, everyone will bully you. Get Strong enough, and they gang up on you. Meet Catherine, Expect her to betray all.

 

[12tn2]

Kill Alex!!!!!!

thought you'd defense that guy

Thats the reason why its considered the best place on the score charts is in the middle. Too weak, everyone will bully you. Get Strong enough, and they gang up on you.

It's absolutely true that a lower place on the board is better avoided. But a high place is what everyone is hoping for, at least IMHO. In the games I played, when I'm strong enough the AIs have never messed with me
The Vietnamese finally have got spare units to go exploring what our first scout Nguyễn Xí has left. In order to reach for the west, Le Loi had to open borders with Alexander and Hatshepsut. So, why not pay Thebes a visit during our trip and see what Hatty has?

The Egyptian have settled at least one more city – it's on the left of the picture, near the iron source. Based on what we have observed, these cities are all in very decent places. Take Memphis: a hill to provide natural defense (though, against Montezuma's massive stacks it'll not be likely to make any differences – AND the Aztecs are just south of these spots!! ), a wheat tile to counter those plain tiles and wine & gold to provide happiness. On top of those, both settlements have fresh water. With Memphis it's an oasis, and Thebes is placed next to a river. The Egyptian capital is also a resourceful land: in term of food it has two crabs and some grassland, in term of luxury things it has fur and whale to make the people happy. And when it comes to general ones, Hatshepsut possesses a marble tile, which is not bad at all for wonders, and a source of horses! Now Monty will have to face some magnificent difficulties if he decides to anne... Oh wait... WTF!? Am I seeing it wrong, or on that horse tile is indeed a farm? A farm?? Omg it's true. What on earth is Hatty thinking? Is she a PETA member and firmly decided not to exploit those lovely animals at all or what? Now Le Loi has taken a closer look at the scene, he discovers that the two crab tiles are not netted, either! And of course, neither the whale. Weird AIs, they always surprise us in one or another way Our leader's bet is that the fur tile is not camped also. Let's find out!

 

[Daedwartin]

It's absolutely true that a lower place on the board is better avoided. But a high place is what everyone is hoping for, at least IMHO. In the games I played, when I'm strong enough the AIs have never messed with me

In Singleplayer, always shoot for the number 1 position in the charts, as the AI is stupid. HOWEVER, in Multiplayer, while the AI is still stupid, there are other humans playing as well. Humans who understand what the victory conditions are. Humans that are trying to WIN. Humans that will do ANYTHING to win. And IF they see a player starting to get a break-away score, THEY WILL work together to destroy that player. Conversely, they'll gobble up those that have just completely fallen behind. Which has the potential risk to make you have a break-away score. As a result, it is best to aim for a upper-middle score. Strong and Advanced enough to be able to defend yourself, but weak enough that your not the target of the anti-superpower league. WHICH WILL INCLUDE AIs. This is because the AI are stupid. They can be bribed...which is really the only way a break-away player can survive. keeping the other humans busy with war.

 

[12tn2]

In Singleplayer, always shoot for the number 1 position in the charts, as the AI is stupid. HOWEVER, in Multiplayer, while the AI is still stupid, there are other humans playing as well. Humans who understand what the victory conditions are. Humans that are trying to WIN. Humans that will do ANYTHING to win. And IF they see a player starting to get a break-away score, THEY WILL work together to destroy that player. Conversely, they'll gobble up those that have just completely fallen behind. Which has the potential risk to make you have a break-away score. As a result, it is best to aim for a upper-middle score. Strong and Advanced enough to be able to defend yourself, but weak enough that your not the target of the anti-superpower league. WHICH WILL INCLUDE AIs. This is because the AI are stupid. They can be bribed...which is really the only way a break-away player can survive. keeping the other humans busy with war.

Yeah that's right. In multiplayer, I mean I thought you mentioned SP
During about a dozen turns ago, many events have happened we just couldn't cover them all. Such as, Mao Zedong, Hatshepsut, Montezuma and probably some other guys wanted to open borders with Le Loi, but since the Vietnamese don't have trade routes with them yet, our leader chose to decline (however, some years later he did offer Hatty the very same trade in order for our warrior to take a look at Thebes, as you've all known). Caesar demanded one of our three clams, and we decided to give him – the Vietnamese right now are concentrating on someone else , and Le Loi doesn't want some galleys full of units to land next to Hanoi while he's marching in a faraway land. Alexander asked for the second time the ending of our border contract with Cyrus (his worst enemy), but once again the Greek leader was denied outright, because we have chosen the Persian to be our friend. Uhm, guess it's time to explain to you what Le Loi has in his mind, diplomatically:

Everyone, of course, has contacted each other. Some of them even proceed to open borders with nearly all civilizations – wow, didn't expect Mao or Peter to be the socialites – and the only one who keeps refusing them is Le Loi We have signed four contracts with the Persian, the Egyptian, the Romans, and the Greek – among them only the two former ones are planned to be long term. So why did the Vietnamese choose the peaceful bloc (may include Isabella and Mao) to be their allies? It's simple, because Cyrus likes Representation, which will be our civic as long as we run the SE. Ceasy is too greedy and close to be a friend. But hey, why haven't we gained the 'wise civic' bonus from them at this point? We've revolted a pretty long time already. Anyone know??

 

[Daedwartin]

Probably because they themselves do not have the ability to run rep. You DID get it over 2000 years before you should have.
YOUR A WHITE BOX

 

[12tn2]

Probably because they themselves do not have the ability to run rep. You DID get it over 2000 years before you should have.

Oh really? Then we'll have to wait for about 2 millenniums to finally receive some bonus points in Cyrus' mind? Well, maybe Le Loi has made wrong choices diplomatically

YOUR A WHITE BOX

Well, shame on me You know, I'm not very brilliant in graphical issues Wish I can find someone to help improve my mods, graphically...
During these years Le Loi is busy preparing for a next war against... (ok this time we'll let you make a guess ). Hanoi is also contributing a large portion in the work, despite it's designed to be our science city:

See? A swordsman is going to be completed next turn, while our capital is still reserving two slots for its representation boosted scientists. These guys are also more effective now that an academy has been constructed in Hanoi (we could have had it up pretty early, but Le Loi did make a mistake and save the Vietnamese first great scientist for Alphabets in the hope for a fast burst of technology. He thought the GS would be able to lightbulb the tech right after our researching of Sailing. Turned out Compass – a nearly worthless one – is needed beforehand. Thus there was almost no choices other than erecting an academy. Anyway, that building is not bad at all, and Alphabets will due on the next fifteen years).
This turn also see for the first time in history that Le Loi has to lower the nation's tech slider. We have burned all our money, which is bad, but lucky enough at a point when the Vietnamese are just separated from a boost in technology by merely one turn. And 38 beakers at 80% is a decent number, right? We can afford for even more specialists, but sadly the library can just provide Hanoi with two Our food sources are so effective we're having to limit the growth If only Le Loi can access some more happiness resources (as you can see, the Vietnamese have none now, as opposed to many health ones) and maybe Caste system, our capital can turn into an actual monster ...

 

[Lord_Herobrine]

Looks like someone's gonna get another GP soon

That actually does look like Asia, strange haha

 

[12tn2]

Looks like someone's gonna get another GP soon

Yeah, being Philosophical, Le Loi can get 2 GS before any AI GP appears

That actually does look like Asia, strange haha

It's not strange at all since Vietnam, Japan, China are all there But then how the French, the Roman, the Aztecan, the Egyptian... are all squeezed in is beyond us
Being the first to discover the alphabets, we were able to make some extortionate trades. First, the Vietnamese gave the secret of Iron working to the Egyptian, in exchange for the only two available techs: Polytheism & Meditation. Heh, with this the Aztec troops will at least have to taste some metal before destroying Hatty's land (Le Loi is pretty sure about a war between these nearby countries: Montezuma has been “having enough” on his hands when he talks to our leader recently). The next turn, we traded the science of Mathematics to the Persian, in order to acquire Priesthood. That unbalanced deal earned Le Loi a bonus point of 'fair and forthright' in Cyrus' attitude, which is good, since this guy is our long term ally. In fact, our leader did want a better barter, but it appeared that the only technology we were missing from other civilizations was Priesthood So that meant the Vietnamese are leading in term of techs?! It was quite astonishing, considering our GNP is not impressive at all:

Again, three groups can be easily divided based on the coin count. The big four is, as expected, Tokugawa, Monty, Hatty & Cyrus. Among them, Toky is really the star, having taken the lead for a long long time. The Aztec and Persian leaders have just taken a big boost recently. Especially Cyrus, he's holding the record of highest GNP peak, just some years ago.
The middle five are, in turn, Louis, Isabella, Mao Zedong, Caesar & Alexander. A big thumb-up to Izzy for climbing so high from the last place. But then, that last place is pinned on us. Even Peter the Puny with his two cities is getting ahead of Le Loi. What on earth is happening here??

 

[Daedwartin]

HEY DONT JUST GO AND PASS US BY WITH A SNEAK DECLARATION OF WAR ON PETER!. I SEE THAT Peter(WAR)

 

[12tn2]

HEY DONT JUST GO AND PASS US BY WITH A SNEAK DECLARATION OF WAR ON PETER!. I SEE THAT Peter(WAR)

Seems like nothing can escape your eyes So here is the explanation of it:
The land for expansion is up, now the Vietnamese have to find their opportunities through wars. Recently Le Loi has shown you our preparation for the war, the only thing left is to choose a victim. And our leader believes that targeting the weak is the best of all:

So it's the Russian again for the third conflict on the world. They are indeed weak after our our first blow some hundred years ago, their dead last score does show it. Having two workers stolen and one city lost can set anyone nearly back to their stating point, so it's a surprise Peter can tail Isabella by just some points Anyway, his army do reflect his strength – the capital is defended by just two archers (there was a chariot there last turn, but fled in sight of our troops. Maybe it was some brilliant tactical move by the Russian leader , we don't know for sure ). Our force consists of five swordsmen and one axeman, all trained carefully. There's an inexperienced spearman, rush produced by Xanh Pe Tec Bua (yes, this city managed to build this guy after finishing the huge Pyramids and the granary already. A barrack was also half-done, but it couldn't be up in time). Besides, a warrior is tagging along – he can serve as a defender when the city is captured, or a suiciding meatbag if the situation calls for it Oh, and Le Loi has to mention a Russian worker for the sake of completeness. This guy chose to stay in Moscow to show his patriotism
Now what to say about the battlefield? It's full of forests – our leader is quite surprised to see that Peter hasn't chopped a single tile of his land! Yeah, only better for us, now the Vietnamese need a plan to move workers there fast...

 

[Daedwartin]

Promote those Swords with Combat 1 and whatever the anti-archer promotion is. you'll likely win the battle of Moscow then. unlike Hitler...though napoleon did manage to take the city, but unlike Napoleon, you will likely manage to keep hold of Moscow.

 

[12tn2]

Promote those Swords with Combat 1 and whatever the anti-archer promotion is. you'll likely win the battle of Moscow then. unlike Hitler...though napoleon did manage to take the city, but unlike Napoleon, you will likely manage to keep hold of Moscow.

Why not city raider 1 ? Since our army just have 4 XPs, it seems to be the most effective promotion. And yes, Le Loi is better than both Hitler and Napoleon for sure. You'll see
Well, the siege of Moscow went according to plan. Even our City raider 1 swordsmen couldn't make good odds against fully fortified archers on a 40% bonus hill city, but Le Loi had almost no other choices. He then sacrificed two of them in order to reduce both of the Russian capital's defenders to 1.0 health. From there the battles were just easy goes, at least that was what we thought. It turned out that the heavily wounded archers could still deal significant amounts of damage to our next two swords. Anyway, wins are wins, and Moscow is now ours!!
After that the Vietnamese army headed for Peter's last citadel, Novgorod, but our force were down to swordsman, axeman, spearman and warrior, each kind of one. That was not enough to defeat the defenders, who consisted of two archers and a chariot (this guy just fled from the Russian capital a few years ago. Now where would you go, eh ?), so Le Loi decided to let them do some pillaging and scouting before the healed reinforcements arrive:

Look, there was a mine on the iron tile, but our axe destroyed it fast. Too bad for Peter, he has just provided his people with the metal merely some turns before our declaration, and that amount of time was not enough for him to make any good counter force. And now all the Vietnamese troops have gathered, Le Loi orders the attack! This time, it's a lot easier, since Novgorod is not even able to expand to its BFC yet. Our first CR2 wins (though is critically injured), the second one does a better job, and our spearman proves his usefulness by finishing the chariot. Goodbye, Peter, and remember: blocking us is always bad choice!

 

[hoplitejoe]

You need to capture the purple city, for borders sake!

 

[Daedwartin]

I foresee more expansion coming. the Atheist Imperial Republic of Vietnam shall conquer all.

 

[Lord_Herobrine]

*Sniff Sniff* Smells like victory! And now to celebrate with some White Russians! (drinks, or is it? )

 

[Daedwartin]

*Sniff Sniff* Smells like victory! And now to celebrate with some White Russians! (drinks, or is it? )

and so the Vietnamese discovered up a massive taste for vodka. it proceeded to become the fuel that kept the nation moving.

 

[12tn2]

You need to capture the purple city, for borders sake!

Psst! (sure! any idea of when? )

I foresee more expansion coming. the Atheist Imperial Republic of Vietnam shall conquer all.

You're a GP. A great prophet, to be precise.

*Sniff Sniff* Smells like victory! And now to celebrate with some White Russians! (drinks, or is it? )

Hey, are you referring us to that bloodthirsty Montezuma ? Not that barbarian...

and so the Vietnamese discovered up a massive taste for vodka. it proceeded to become the fuel that kept the nation moving.

And in the celebrating banquet where vodka flows like cascades, a man stands up and offer the people there to taste his wine, brought here from Bordeaux himself. Everyone agrees that this liquid is truly a fuel that we crave for...

 

[Lord_Herobrine]

and so the Vietnamese discovered up a massive taste for vodka. it proceeded to become the fuel that kept the nation moving.

Or... He discovered a new type of fuel in Civ, Beerthanol!