Adventures of the Vietnamese (III)

[12tn2]

Good luck on the culture battle, you are in a tough spot.

Tks, and welcome to Vietnam! But hey, are you a Vietnamese, or at least have the root from our land? I saw your short story about 'the princess'. It features our king Hùng Vương and his son in law 'San Ting', right

This is why I always pick continents or terra.
Also. Civfanatics...your conquering ways have become contagious. More and more these days, my preferred solution to a problematic AI is to blob into them.

Can't help. War favors the strong, right? And only in wars can heroes show their heroic talents. What the Vietnamese are doing is just to follow the real history of the real world. Maybe if the game extends to the future years, say, 2020, we will consider reducing our aggressive activities

 

[MedicInDisquise]

Tks, and welcome to Vietnam! But hey, are you a Vietnamese, or at least have the root from our land? I saw your short story about 'the princess'. It features our king Hùng Vương and his son in law 'San Ting', right

Sadly, it was in an alternate dimension where the Vietnamese was a split off of china.

Don't worry, the king is still a high noble in the Chinese empire ;D

 

[12tn2]

Sadly, it was in an alternate dimension where the Vietnamese was a split off of china.

It's somewhat true, though. China did take control over our land for about 1000 years. However, with these games, we are rewriting the history then In our first adventure Qin Shi Huang has learned his position. This time Mao may experience the same lesson, too
The preparations for a war against Peter have been done! On the verge of turn 100, the Vietnamese finally launch their assault on St. Petersburg:

See, this is one proof showing that Le Loi is actually listening to what the readers demand Not long ago, you have mentioned about getting out of the dead last place. Then you discussed about the first 100 turns limit. Later you requested to eliminate the Russian because their color does not fit at all. Now, you can see for yourselves that this war is an effort of ours to please them all
If you look at the right side, you may notice that Le Loi has already opened borders with Peter. During that short period, our warrior has made a lightning trip into Moscow and has observed what he needed to see. Good news for us: the Russian don't have metal, at least for now! And they haven't connected or pastured the horse, either (it's on the third ring of their capital). Thus the Vietnamese need not to afraid of a fierce retaliation in the near future. And after accomplishing his mission, that warrior is returning in time to join the attacking forces and will capture a worker from Peter in the next blink. That's called good planning, eh?
Well, actually, the declaring of Le Loi is helped by a ridiculously good luck. No, we should call it lucks because there are at least three of them. First, the worker on the quarry has just finished his work last turn Second, the warrior near Moscow had been wandering exclusively in the area of St. Petersburg – he's just getting back to Moscow this very turn, probably because Peter is feeling intimidated by the visiting of our warrior And thirdly, the worker sheltering in the Russian city has not moved anywhere else – he has been finished the very last turn, too ...

 

[hoplitejoe]

ARCHER RUUUUUUSH!!caps

 

[MedicInDisquise]

You have my license the destroy the russians.

 

[Daedwartin]

Russians call in Kirov Airships.
i wish...theres something to mod into a mod! along with some Apocalypse Tanks

 

[12tn2]

!!caps

Huh? Caps? In 1000BC?

You have my license the destroy the russians.

No need Instead they have our license to be destroyed by the Vietnamese from the turn Peter got his hands on the spot

Russians call in Kirov Airships.

No... Those units can't defense a city without burning it to the ground first... You know, future weapons are not always magnificent when it comes to ancients battles
The time has come – and the Vietnamese troops closed in for the attack! Our army consisted of five archers (four were trained in Le Loi's barrack ) and one warrior ready for charging forward. One more club wielding guy of ours had just captured a worker and would be able to wipe up anything left the following turn, in the worst case when all the attacking forces failed at the initial offensive wave. The Russian defense were two fully fortified archers. So that was three versus one ratio – winnable, no?
The answer was indeed yes. The Vietnamese first two archers couldn't win at really low odds, but were able to deal quite some damage to their opponents. For the third battle, Le Loi had two choices: suiciding his only warrior, or letting another archer make the attack at about 70% chance. Since it was pretty high, our leader opted for the second option. Failed! It was so unfortunate for us, the result of a very very tense fight was that Peter's unit being able to cling to a very very thin thread connecting him with his life Nevertheless, after three attempt, the Russian defenders were gravely wounded, making our next two charges easy wins. St. Petersburg was ours!

Right when the city was captured, our workers dispersed all over the place making the preparations for a big wonder in the far future. The following turn, a retaliation force of... one warrior rushed out from Moscow and threatened our labor forces. Of course, Le Loi's just-triumphed-without-a-scratch archers took care of him nicely. Geez, losing two workers right in the first turn of the war, the Russian economy must have received a critical blow. Let's hope that Peter will produce others to make up for it, instead of some military reinforcements ...

 

[hoplitejoe]

Just a few more archer rushes you will be fine!

 

[12tn2]

Hmm... I don't think any more archer rushes are effective. We've lost about half of our force in the last attack, and building some five or six more will be awfully long. Besides, Moscow is on a hill, and that alone can exclude the chance to successfully flood the Russian with merely archers. What's more, the Vietnamese have just increased their city count, and more cities means more defenders - especially when one is going to have a wonder built in it.

 

[12tn2]

The first 100 turns have actually passed, and the Vietnamese have balanced their number of cities with other civilizations (except Peter, of course ). However, that seems not to help our score look better when compared with any empire on earth:

From the above graph one can easily distinguish three groups of contenders. The big four are, not surprisingly, Tokugawa, Montezuma, Cyrus and Louis. While the first two's high scores are based on their extraordinary strong agriculture, the Persian and French leader benefit from their trait of creative, especially in the case of Lou. Come on, go spamming rubbish cities and call yourself powerful, then demand things from us and get annoyed, eh Louis? Don't delude yourself, my friend
In the middle of the pack, four civilizations are vying pretty drastically. Hatshepsut is taking the lead for being another creative one. Peter could have been a big one if we hadn't stopped him – can you see a big drop of the orange line? Mao Zedong and Caesar are displaying so-so performances and are not any threats for now.
Well, about the Vietnamese, they are diving in the last group What's worse, they're even below the religious pair of Alexander and Isabella ! This graph also shows how bad your place can be if you pursue a religion in the early game. Both Buddhism and Hinduism couldn't bring their founding people to better lives. It's lucky for us Le Loi didn't follow a faith in the first place – but hey, then how can we end up sinking deeply down here, anyway ??

 

[12tn2]

By 835BC, Le Loi has made peace with Peter. There was no reason he should continue the war, then that his objectives have been achieved. The Vietnamese have captured the daring Russian settlement of St. Petersburg (now Xanh Pe Tec Bua), all of their labor forces were 'persuaded' to join our cause , and we have observed enough of Peter's empire:

There they are, the forest city of Moscow and the junk city of Novgorod. That latter one is the consequence of losing a race with the French – Le Loi had seen a couple of settler and archer (those other than Xanh Pe tec bua ) heading toward the west of the Russian capital, but after some turns they rushed back to the far east Well, at least Peter has iron with that one, but there will be quite some time before he can use it, judging from the lack of workers the Vietnamese have caused to him Back to Moscow, our pioneering archer has done a good job by revealing all of its squares. Just as Le Loi has suspected right from the start, this capital is blessed with trees – twelve tiles of them is a heaven for production. When combined with five hills, this city can rock, hammerwise. Horse and fur sources are in range, but the Russian haven't been able to improve any of them yet. They do have silk, but of course Calendar is not invented by now, so those two tiles are no use for Peter, either But then he has elephants, and he had camped the animals alright. However, that is just until this turn. While two Russian archers were heading for our land (can you see them there? Just a little bit ago one of them was wandering in the suburbs of Xanh Pe tec bua), a Vietnamese archer was also lurking near Moscow. He managed to destroy the camp before being safely teleported back – another tactical win for Le Loi here

 

[Daedwartin]

Now to prepare for round 2, Moscow.

 

[12tn2]

Now to prepare for round 2, Moscow.

Psst! (whisper: while that's true, don't let the Russian know of it yet )
Years after years rolling by quietly, until 730BC. All of a sudden, the second war on earth broke out, and the initiator of it is no one else than the only guy at an 'annoyed' attitude toward us – Louis!!!

Wait – we are not doomed yet. It turned out that the French leader wanted to wipe out his neighbor Cyrus first. Phew... that was close As you can see, we have just finished Iron working and discovered that critical metal some turns ago (yes the Vietnamese indeed have something worthy in their land, finally ), and although Le Loi has mobilized most of his labor force to mine the resource, our cities won't be able to produce well-equipped troops in time, in case Louis chooses to declare on us instead and the French units cross our border. So, lucky for the Vietnamese, then
But that luck was nearly overthrown by two consecutive demands by ones whom Le Loi doesn't want them to be from the most. The first ask was by Louis, as you all have seen. Of course our leader denied outright – we won't agree to anything from a stupid guy who only knows about making arrogant demands. The second one, right after it, was by the Persian leader asking us the very same thing What an awkward situation! Le Loi really wanted to help Cyrus because he is chosen to be a potential big ally of the Vietnamese, but right now a war with the French is out of the options, since those invading army might change their route and target our cities instead, and that's a disaster! It was really painful to deny such a request, and Le Loi gained a negative point from the Persian – arrrgg! As about the reason of choosing enemies and allies, we will explain to you later in an appropriate chance...

 

[Daedwartin]

St. Petersburg is all ready paying off. Iron right next to it means you can actually stand a chance militarily.

 

[12tn2]

St. Petersburg is all ready paying off. Iron right next to it means you can actually stand a chance militarily.

Absolutely The founding of St. Pertersburg by the Russian was actually a godbless to the Vietnamese. Had Le Loi won in the race and settled on the pink spot, we could have never got our hands on the iron! It would be on the fourth ring of Hanoi and the third ring of both Hochiminh city and the pink spot. Which means our leader would have to wait for about 100 turns for the culture of any city to expand, or to squeeze another, likely a junky one, right near the metal source (but we would be dead by then already )
Aside from food, hammer count is a good indicator for early game analysis. So let's take a brief picture about how well all the civilizations on earth are doing recently:

Again, there are three group, separated from each others by large margins. The first and unrivaled one is Montezuma. With only two hills in his capital BFC, the Aztecs leader is doing great! And he's now definitely after someone, Le Loi is sure. The victim may be Isabella the Buddhism founder, or can it be Hatshepsut the Hinduism practitioner? In case Monty doesn't want to mess with women, then Alexander is in the range, too. When we talk about the Aztecan guy, nothing can be certain – hey, even the Vietnamese is not very safe , now that we're at the bottom of the score table, and our armed forces are really weak also (shiver...) Le Loi can only hope that Montezuma will choose someone not far from him then.
Now for the second pack, there are a lot of them – nine civs to be accurate. Cyrus and Louis are vying on a cuththroat level, and the war between them can be a prolonged one. But it is less likely, at least in our opinion – Le Loi has a feelings that this is just a small, phony-like war. Everybody else has just one or two units of hammer difference from each other. And surprisingly, Tokugawa has once again proved his inability to leverage his heaven land with at least three plain hills – what a shame.
Hmm, but then, where are the Vietnamese on this graph? Deep down, we are so low in production that we can be classified in an own group And during that time, Le Loi is actually building the Pyramids!! What a bigger shame ...

 

[hoplitejoe]

You may be Vietnam, but you look much more like Korea

 

[Lord_Herobrine]

IMHO, if arn't already planning to, raise a group of swordsmen and try to sneak a few potshots on Louis. Make sure to extra fortify St. Peter's before though, what a shame would be if those hammers were lost.

 

[12tn2]

You may be Vietnam, but you look much more like Korea

Hey, what does that mean? Some intended pun here, eh? You know, I haven't played BtS yet & don't know what the Korean look like, so...

if arn't already planning to, raise a group of swordsmen and try to sneak a few potshots on Louis. Make sure to extra fortify St. Peter's before though, what a shame would be if those hammers were lost.

Yeah, we'll definitely produce some army. But whose butt those swords are going to stick into is pretty undetermined for now
It was 610BC. Time is running fast, and the risk of losing the critical wonder to our specialist economy is becoming more and more threatening. Just one turn ago, Montezuma has finished the Stonehenge – he did make good use of the stone near his capital, as we has pointed out some time before. So what will Le Loi do to accelerate his construction?

Yeah, the answer are doing some maths (which is why we have just researched Mathematics), forest chops and heavy labor exploitation. In the picture you see, four tiles having workers in them were already pre-chopped down to one turn left. The warrior forest was just the same, and another guy of our labor force was in the standby mode, ready to jump in and finish it in case there's not enough wood for the build. In our leader's previous calculation, each forest in the BFC would provide us with 75 hammers post Maths, so the Vietnamese would need all five tiles to instantly complete the wonder. However, after the tech has come, it turned out that they actually would yield a whooping amount of 90 each, so one forest can be spared for the much needed granary. That would slow down our Pyramids' inauguration by fifteen years, though – but the risk was pretty small Le Loi decided to take it. And you know what, in 580BC, the second wonder of the world is finally ours! Representation FTW!!
By the way, the Vietnamese were really nervous during that time, not because of the waiting, but rather the appearance of two Japanese warrior next to our unprotected workers. Are you coming for revenge, Tokugawa? Lucky for us, it seems that the Japanese leader doesn't remember what happened to him in his previous incarnation...

 

[Daedwartin]

Hey, what does that mean? Some intended pun here, eh? You know, I haven't played BtS yet & don't know what the Korean look like, so...

I think its because the shape of your civ is similar to that of Korea. it could also be referencing North Korea, with its extremely horrible situation it has. You are literally only going to survive because of the pryamids and that iron when it comes down to it.

TAKE PETER first. he has a iron, meaning he can become a threat. also, since his capital is such high quality, it will be useful.

 

[christos200]

I think its because the shape of your civ is similar to that of Korea.

Yes. Your penisula really looks like Korea.